Candida Summit with Evan Brand | Podcast #181

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hey, guys! It’s Dr. Justin Marchegiani here. Welcome to the Candida Summit. I have the honor of hosting this interview
with my good friend and colleague, Evan Brand. Everyone knows Evan here. Six million downloads, internationally-based
functional medicine expert. You can reach him via phone and Skype. He specializes in digestive issues, Chronic
infections, Obesity, Fatigue. He’s had his own issues with IBS and Mood
Issues, and he’s been able to overcome it with a functional medicine approach that gets
to the root cause. Evan also has a couple of books. The “Stress Solution,” “REM Rehab.” There’s a lot of stuff on Nootropics as
well. And again, you can always get a hold of Evan. Schedule a complimentary consult at See if you’re a good fit for the next step. But, Evan, how are we doing, man? Really happy to be connected. Evan Brand: Hey, man. Thank you so much. We have had hundreds of hours of fun together
over the last few years so… Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: …of course, there’s no one
else that I would want to be interviewed by than yours truly. So, uh— thank you. Thank you for the opportunity. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So excited to be here. So, let’s talk about Candida. So, Candida’s one of these things where
it’s like, “Oh.” You know— Back in the 70’s and 80’s,
it’s like, “Oh, the yeast connection.” “Oh. It’s Candida causing all my problems.” And it’s interesting ‘cause we talked
about this a lot, on air, where Candida, a lot of times, can be connected with other
types of infection. So, I’m just curious. How often are you seeing, in your patients,
just a— a pure Candida issue that’s driving the problems? Or is Candida there with other types of infections
that you’re saying? Evan Brand: Yeah. Great question. I’d say, maybe five percent of the time,
it’s Candida by itself.. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: And if I hit that five percent
of the time, I’m thinking, “Okay. Something must have got missed because, the
other 95 percent of the time, it’s Giardia issue, it’s a Crypto issue, like what I
had going on when I had Candida problems, personally. And of course, Adrenal issues are always happening. Thyroid issues can be happening. So, if somebody just has Candida, it’s like,
“Okay. Something’s weird or you just got lucky,
because it usually never happens that way.” Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I see the same thing as well, clinically. And some people, you know— Candida can be
a big issue. There’s something called the Auto-brewery
S— uhm— Auto-Brewery Syndrome. Are you aware of that? Evan Brand: Yes. Basically, where you’re getting drunk, right,
on your own… Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: …Candida? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Part of the metabolites of Candida is Acetaldehyde,
and Acetaldehyde basically goes to your liver and is like— is a stressor kind of like
Alcohol is. Evan Brand: Yeah. Well, the good thing is, we can fix the yeast
and then we can use other things to soak it up too. I’ve been using some of those Fulvic acid
supplements… Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm— Evan Brand: …that we spoke about to try
to suck it up. And basically, any type of a binder, like
clays or your Fulvic acids— these binders, you can kind of soak up that Aldehyde, which
is cool, because if you are getting drunk on your own Candida, that’s not the root
cause of deficiency of— of clay or charcoal. But, if that can help you ten percent better
while we work on fixing the other issues, that’s— that’s a win. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And I see a lot of
Candida people. People that have a Candida overgrowth, they
also end up developing like neurological or mood issues. What’s your experience with patients with
Candida and Mood, or brain or cognitive issues? Evan Brand: Yeah, it’s huge. I mean, that was me, right? I always like to talk about me first just
because I like to tell people, “Hey, look. I’ve already been there, done that. I’ve struggled. I’ve suffered.” I feel like— and I know you would agree
too that as a practitioner, it’s much, much better if you have dealt with the exact same
problem that you’re working with your clients on, as opposed to you got some of these medical
doctors where they’re prescribing drugs that they would never take themselves. They’re prescribing Statins and Beta-Blockers,
and etc., etc., etc. And people may say, well, they might not need
those drugs. If there are Cardiologists, they might not
need a heart rhythm drug but— you know— in our space, you and I take everything that
we’ve recommended for people. We take our own herbs. We formulate our own supplements. We take our own fish oils. We take our own anti-parasitics if we show
up with parasites. So, back to the original question about the
mood issues— I mean, I dealt with Depression for probably ten years, if not more. Like, the more— the more that I do interviews,
I realize that even as a kid and as a teenager, I was depressed. And I still had a great childhood, but I just
wonder if it goes back to something when I was very, very young. Like, you talked with Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt
and he says that— you know— traumatic experiences, even before age two (2) can cause
issues later in life. It’s like, “Well, I have no idea what
happened before age two (2), so I just wonder if— if something like that happened to where
a roll of the dice led me to be more depressed. And then, of course, my parents— you know—
They struggle a lot with Depression on both sides so of course the genetic epigenetic
component is— is part of it. And then the infections. I mean, you were the first guy who looked
at me and you said, “Dude, I guarantee you’ve got gut bugs,” because you saw old pictures
of me and I had a lot more muscle than I did. When you saw me like, “Dude, what happened
to your muscle strength?” I was like, “I don’t know.” And you’re like, “Okay. You need to run a Stool Test on your self.” And, that’s when I had ran some comprehensive
stuff and found out I had gut bugs. And that was the answer I was looking for
because my mental health was affected it wasn’t just the gut. It wasn’t just the weight loss. It was the Insomnia, which leads to… Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. Evan Brand: …Brain Fog because you’re
tired. And then, the Brain Fog leads to Anxiety ‘cause
you can’t focus. So, then, you’re anxious that you can’t
get your work done, and your boss is like, “Hey. This project is due. Where is it at?” And you can’t do it ‘cause your brain’s
not working. So— i mean, Candida can be a massive, massive
health issue and is not something that I think people should just write a blog about. “Ten Ways to Fix Candida,” It doesn’t
work that way. You can’t just throw a bunch of stuff at
this with a Shotgun Approach and get good— good results. I’m literally, probably, gonna make T-shirts
one day that have the term supplement graveyard on there ‘cause every person I talked with,
they tell me they loved that term that I used because… Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, yeah. Evan Brand: I have a supplement graveyard
and they— they usually do two of— of supplements they tried but that they didn’t follow through
with. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: A hundred percent. And, what’s the mechanism of Candida and
Yeast and Fungus? And just, for the listeners, right? We have like the big umbrella is fungus, right? And then, we have Yeast i like a various—
you know— type of fungus underneath that umbrella, and Candida is in one of those kind
of yeast families. What’s the mechanism of Candida or these
yeasts uhm— causing neurological and brain and cognitive issues? Evan Brand: I would say, there’s multiple
mechanisms. One, which is with something that Dain Kailash
and I chatted about is Mitochondria being affected. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: So, that can affect the energy
levels because you’ve got the toxins that are being created by the Yeast. You talked about like the Brewery Syndrome. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yep. Evan Brand: And so, that’s affecting the
Mitochondria. That’s affecting the liver too. So, if we’ve got a lot of things in the
gut, like parasites and bacteria, plus the Candida, the liver’s overburdened. So now, the liver’s having a backup, so
to speak, and that can cause fatigue. And then of course that fatigue can lead to
depression, possibly anxiety then sleep issues. For me, I had terrible sleep issues when my
liver was overburning ‘cause I have so many bugs. I would say another mechanism, too, would
just be the malabsorption that Candida’s causing because— you know— you and I ran
a lot of Organic Acids Testing. And when we look at our clients’ lab results,
we see the amino acids are very low, meaning they’re not digesting their proteins well. We see their neurotransmitter’s low so we’ll
look at markers like HVA, which called Homovanillate— you and I talked about that all the time—
which is a Dopamine marker. And, we see neurotransmitters drop too. So now, the person has lack of energy. They have lack of drive. They can’t focus. They have lack of concentration. They’re easily bored. And this is because their neurotransmitters
are not being produced. Then we see Serotonin being low. That’s another mechanism of the Yeast because
most of it’s produced in the gut. And if the gut is in a state of dysbiosis,
meaning you’ve got bad guys that have moved into the neighborhood, all the good guys are
being crowded out, you can’t manufacture neurotransmitters like you’re supposed to. So, when Serotonin is low, then you’ve got
the irritability, you’ve got the panic, you’ve got the phobias, you’ve got the
sugar cravings, you’ve got mood swings, winter depression, PMS. And so, just to summarize, I would say, the
mechanism is affecting the liver ‘cause of the toxins. I would say, it’s affecting Mitochondria
‘cause of the toxins. It’s creating a permeable gut barrier so
it’s creating leaky gut, which is causing malabsorption. So, even if you’re eating organic Paleo
template, which is what we kind of promote, and— let’s say, your brain chemistry. It is the other mechanism that’s affected. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, 100%. And there’s one toxin that’s actually
produced by the Candida. So, you have Candida, which then produces
the Acetaldehyde. The Acetaldehyde produces a toxin, a neurotoxin
called Salsolinol, and that Salsolinol can make its way up to the midbrain, and actually
start killing off some of these Dopamine-producing cells in the Substantia nigra. [crosstalk] And that’s because— Evan Brand: Spell that. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So, yeah. The compound is Sal— S-A-L-S-O-L-I-N-O-L,
Salsolinol. And that’s synthesized from Acetaldehyde
and can affect the Dopamine-producing cells in the brain, in the midbrain, in the Substantia
nigra. So, that’s another mechanism ‘cause Dopamine’s
really important for focus. It’s really important for mood. It’s that reward center neurotransmitter
that gets secreted— you know— during happy moments and it’s important for focus, too,
right? People that are trying to go on these antidepressants
are using that. So, that’s another mechanism too. Evan Brand: You know what’s crazy too uh—
that Salsolinol— I’m just reading a little article here. It says it’s a metabolic product of fermentation… Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm— Evan Brand: …found in small amounts in several
foods, most notably chocolate, and it’s believed to be the addictive component of
chocolate and alcohol. That’s pretty interesting. I didn’t know about the link between chocolate,
alcohol and this compound. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. And then, my thing with the Candida, as well,
maybe you’ve experienced it, but so many conventional medical doctors, they really
poopoo it. They really put it down like it’s some—
like, thing that’s just not real, even when we have data like Candida via a GI Map Test
or Candida antibodies, or D-Arabinitol via an Organic Test. What’s your experience with that? Evan Brand: Yeah. Well, I had two medical docs that are both
Gastroenterologist on the Summit. So, Ken Brown joined us and then uh— Parthenon
D joined us. And they both admitted that the tide has turned,
or at least is turning in the conventional Gastroenterology world, and that now when
they go to, like, conventional medical doctor conferences, Candida is being brought up,
as well as leaky gut. When they’re saying like five years ago
even, leaky gut was laughed at. And, of course, Candida was laughed at too. So, those are at least two guys who give me
hope that, “Hey. Maybe this is gonna turn the tide.” But, I mean, every single week, countless
times, you and I, both, hear the same story, which is that the conventional doctors laughed
at them, and if they talk about using herbs to treat something like Candida or parasites
or bacteria, which is something we specialize in. That they— they basically get laughed at
and say, “Good luck.” And then, they send them all away, and that’s
95% of the people. I alway ask this question to every new client. When’s the last time you saw a medical doctor? If they have an answer to that question, usually
the answer is in a negative way, meaning, “I went to the doctor. I didn’t get the answer I was looking for. Now, that’s why I ended up at your door,”
which is crazy because I’m not a medical doctor but yet I’m giving people far better
success rates because we’re looking at root causes. We’re not just throwing antibiotics or Diflucan
at them and saying, “Have a good day.” Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. It’s really interesting how much treatment
by conventional medical doctors is driven by acceptance from peers or just maybe uh—
you know— what the— the so-called best practices are, right? The problem is, in conventional medicine,
it takes 20 years to get research into the curriculum, so there’s— It takes so long
for these people to even interject new information. I mean, you go into conventional dermatologist
office— you know— they’ll— we’ll have the typical handout that even says, “Diet
does not affect skin, or breakouts or Acne.” But we know that diet is a massive direct
cause. Anyone that’s changed their diet will notice
their skin probably clear up the first time. So, it’s interesting as functional medicine
docs were really driving our protocols and our treatment based on results. Non-dogmatic, let’s get the patient better. The results are what matters. We don’t need to wait ten or 20 years for
a research study to tell us we’re on the right track. Evan Brand: Agreed. Yeah. My wife, I mean, she had so many skin issues
and it was all tied into probably a Candida problem but her skincare products too. And people will say, “Well, is this a tangent
that you’re going on?” “Yeah. a little bit.” And it’s because I want people to think
about the other pieces of this puzzle. So, it’s like if you just focus on the Yeast,
you’re probably not gonna get the results. Like, you could take all the Oregano oil,
all the Olive leaf, all the Caprylic acid that you want. And you may fix some of the issue, but for
me, I had parasites and H. pylori, which is a bacterial infection. I don’t think many people have talked much
about H. pylori so I guess let’s give the— the audience a little bit of info about it. Uh— It’s a bacterial infection estimated
50% of the world’s population has H. pylori, and what it does is it damages the poridal
cells in the stomach, which secrete HCl, Hydrochloric acid, which is your stomach acid. And, what that causes is the stomach to become
more alkaline so the pH is increasing, meaning, now, you can’t digest your proteins. So, your grass-fed beef and your pastured
meats and your chicken, and all these good things that you’re eating, you can no longer
digest those. So then, you get rotting and putrefying food
in the gut, which then creates a leaky gut situation that creates fermentation, which
feeds bacterial overgrowth, which then feeds Candida. So, all that being said, you can still fix
the gut, have terrible skin care products and then have terrible skin, which is what
my wife had. She was basically covered in Hives and she
went to like five dermatologists. And guess what? They all just gave her steroids, and she put
the topical steroid on, and then it would get better for a week and then it would get
worse again. And so, we knew something was up in the gut
and then we knew something was up externally. We cleaned both parts up, and then all the
sudden her skin’s been perfect. And [crosstalk] me too. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s great. Evan Brand: I mean, uh— probably, maybe
2013/14’/15’ whenever it was. Several years ago, when you and I first started
talking together, you were like, “Man, I bet something’s going on in your gut ‘cause
I was having breakouts on my chin, and no matter what I did, my diet was super clean.” I think I did have some roll of cheese in
there and I did have to pull out raw dairy, unfortunately. Luckily, I do butter now and that’s my only
source of dairy. So, I do okay with butter, but cheeses, they
had to go. And you’re like, “Look, man. I bet something’s going on food-wise or
gut-wise.” And you were right on both counts. It was the roll of cheese, even though it
was grass-fed, hand-picked by the Amish in the beautiful field on the mountaintop. No. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [laughs] Evan Brand: I don’t know. It was— you know— It was the highest quality
I could find, but it didn’t matter because I had gut bugs. And— And that dairy, that undigested Casein
proteins, not only was it addicting because it’s similar to Gluten, where it’s addicting. You get these Morphine-like compounds. You hit the Opiate receptors with undigested
dairy and Gluten. So, those had to be pulled out of the diet
for the addictive property reason, but then also, it was feeding the Yeast that I had. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. That makes so much sense. And you know, big thing that I noticed too
growing up, I had lots of Yeasts. I mean, I had Chronic Athlete’s foot. I mean, I would literally remember like in
bed, like being like 8:00/9:00/10:00, and I would like scratch my toes. I’d like take on etoe and like scratch the
top of the other toe until I bled. Evan Brand: Mm— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Remember, I was just
chronically doing that throughout my whole childhood. Evan Brand: Was that antibiotics or what let
to that for you to be so young and have Yeast? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I mean, I think it’s
just a combination of antibiotic usage, like Chronic Ear Infections. Literally, six or seven every year by the
way, since I have cut and cleaned out my diet. I’ve had zero ear infections for 15 years. And I’m in like Austin every week, water
skiing and I have but all kinds of potential bacteria getting in there, not any ear infections
at all. So, that’s a huge component. The other one, is I had a ton of Rosacea growing
up, and I find Rosacea and fungus has a massive correlation. You cut out Rosacea, and Rosacea just like—
when your skin just gets really red and flushed. And when I cut— you know— clean the diet
up and cut the fungus out, I noticed the Rosacea significantly improved. Evan Brand: Yup. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [crosstalk] I know
if we go back to some of your pictures or videos from a couple of years ago, you can
see your skin had uh— a more reddish hue and you can see that’s cleared up too. Evan Brand: Yeah. [stutters] It’s definitely much, much better
now. I still occasionally get a pimple here and
there, and it’s probably ‘cause I touch my face. If I touch my face— you know— if I’m
sitting here thinking I’ve got my hand on my cheek or my chin, or something. But, I’ll tell you, man. My skin is probably 90% better. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes. Evan Brand: And it was already 100% better
from when I was a teenager. So, like I had exponentially increased my
skin health and I still had a little bit of Acne and I just accepted it as normal. And see, I think that’s something I want
to kind of divert the conversation to, is that many people accept their condition and
they modify their lifestyle to appeal to that condition. So, if you have back pain, maybe more sedentary
because you don’t want to hurt your back. So, you don’t exercise. If you have depression, maybe you don’t
go out in public because you’re depressed and you don’t want to make friends. If you have anxiety— I had a woman as a
client who— she didn’t drive on the highway because everytime she got on the highway she
would have panic attacks. And, so many people modify their disease or
women, they get Acne and their face is covered in Cystic Acne and bad deep— you know—
the Pizza Face, they call it. But they just put more makeup on. And, they’re modifying their lifestyle—
more makeup. They’re avoiding social situations. They’re— Or think about belly fat— you
know— with Candida. So many women are concerned about their weight. So, uh— I don’t want that topic to go
uh— ignored. If you have that Candida belly, that big doughnut
belly, they’ll just put on black clothes or they’ll put on a flowy dress instead
of a tight dress. And then, they don’t feel sexy. So, it’s like, “Look. Stop sabotaging yourself. If you just get to the root of all this, you
don’t have to wear as much makeup. You don’t have to wear black. You don’t have to wear a flowy dress to
hide the belly. Like, you can fix all of these issues.” And for me, I never wear makeup, but I got
to the point where I thought, “Okay. This is just Evan. I just em— I’m just a guy who’s gonna
have X amount of Acne always on my face.” Nope, not anymore. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I love it, man. So much value. I listen to so many summits and so many people
they just talk about flaw, flaw, flaw. And you listen to someone for an hour, and
you’re like, “Okay. I heard a lot of stuff, but like, what’s
the take-home? Like— Like, what am I gonna do now?” And then you— you walk away, being like
kind of paralyzed. “Okay. I heard some stuff, but what the heck do I
do?” So, off the bat, just kind of summarizing,
we know that Candida and— and this type of fungal overgrowth have massive effect on
the skin. We know it has effect on the immune system
through leaky gut. As you make the gut more permeable, food can
get into the bloodstream and create autoimmune issues. We know that the Acetaldehyde can make its
way up to the brain and create mood issues, also become a stress on the liver. And then also, it can create other toxins,
like Salsolinol, and we know that energy issues as well because— Let’s talk about that. This— Doesn’t Candida also uhm— eat
up a lot of B vitamins too? Evan Brand: Well, I would say, Candida plus
the other bugs too, right? Because as we mentioned in the beginning,
it’s rarely Candid by itself. But, yeah. If we want to just simplify, yeah, you could
say Candida. But everytime we look at Organic acids panel,
almost always, there’s some levels of B vitamins being low. Whether… Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: …it’s B2, which is the Riboflavin,
whether it’s your B6, which is important for converting Serotonin into Melatonin… Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: …which is why so many people
have sleep issues, because the Candida’s rob them of their B6. Now, they can’t convert Serotonin. So, even if they take 5-HTP to have— try
to help sleep and Serotonin, if they don’t have the B6 component, they don’t sleep
well. So, yeah. B vitamins get robbed. We talked about amino acids being robbed. Talked about neurotransmitters being low. And, just the fact that you feel like crap
when you have Candida because then you’re driven by sugar cravings. I mean, I’’ll tell you, I remember the
point where I couldn’t go more than a few hours without eating. And, there’s an adrenal component to that
too, which I think we should mention and address here. Which is that, when you have gut stress, which
could just be Candida or could be other bugs, your adrenals are stressed because the liver
is stressed and the adrenals have to come in to try to pinch hit, as you call it, to
help out the liver. So, the adrenal glands get involved. You’re secreting Cortisol, and that Cortisol
is further affecting blood sugar ‘cause then the pancreas has to get involved. So, that’s just whole system of pancreas,
adrenals and liver. If there’s liver stress, the adrenals have
to come in. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right. Evan Brand: If there’s adrenal stress, the
pancreas has to come in and try to help out with Insulin regulation. So, long story short, I was a mess. I was a triangle mess. I had pancreas, therefore blood sugar problems,
liver problems, therefore detox problems. I was getting headaches all the time. I was exhausted. And then, adrenal problems. I had heart palpitations. I had problems falling asleep, problems staying
asleep. And, it was this whole triad, and it all stemmed
from the gut. So, long story short, uhm— uh— I told
you before we jumped on this cause that, “Hey. Let’s make sure that we talked about putting
together a Candida protocol…” Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes. Evan Brand: “…for somebody.” So— So, let’s talk about that. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So, hold on. I mean, just, yeah. [stutters] I think that’s the End stage… Evan Brand: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: …but let’s go
a little bit deeper to how to figure out you even have Candida to begin with first. Evan Brand: Okay. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So, I’ve been… Evan Brand: Okay, good. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I’m gonna— I’m
gonna pitch you over of kind of the lab test that you do— we do to detect this stuff. But, we have some clinical symptoms, right? We have Tinea versicolor, which is kind of
like a fungal rash. You can just do a Google image of it, and
you can get a sense of uhm— what that looks like. Again, Google image will give you the most
severe [laughs] pictures and tends to be in the worst body parts, on Google, but uh—
at least it gives you a pretty good idea. You have, obviously, Jock itch, right? You have uhm— uh— Tinea capitis or—
or Cradle cap, or uhm— Seborrheic Dermatitis, right? Those dandruff— those type of things. You have Athlete’s foot. I mentioned the Jock itch. Uhm— Those are gonna be like your big clinical
indicators on the skin. You have Thrush or just uh— a gentle white
coating in the mouth or on the tongue. I’d say, those would be some of the— the
key clinical indicators, things that you physically see in an exam outside of labs. Is there anything else, clinically, that you
wanted to add there? Evan Brand: I would say the fingernails, right? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yep. Evan Brand: My fingernails… Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, yes. Evan Brand: …showed up with itch. The fingernails— So, could be little white
spots, like little white flex but could be vertical ridging, vertical lines. And I can actually feel it’s much, much
better than it used to be, but I can actually feel the vertical ridges on my nails. So, guys, look down. Girls, look down. If you have fake nails, take them off. Look at your ridges. [crosstalk] If you have vertical… Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [laughs] Evan Brand: …ridges, uh— that’s a sign
you’ve got Malabsorption. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely. Evan Brand: You’ve got to figure out why. You got to figure out why. Is it Candida? Probably. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And I think you also
want to mention is that slight yellowish hue on the fingernail or on the toenail, and that’s
super helpful too. We can talk later about how we address that,
‘cause sometimes, those will not go away even with the diet and the gut stuff because
it’s so far removed from the body. But, we’ll add that to the end. Alright, good. So, we hit the clinical indicators. Let’s go into the lab tests. I know, there’s a couple different body
secretions you measure, uh— Urine with Organic acids, Stool with some of the gut testing,
and also, maybe you even do blood, too. But, let’s go break that down. Evan Brand: Yeah. So, the Stool Testing, for Candida specifically,
it’s not very accurate, and I actually uh— We talked about this a little bit uh— during
Kailash’s interview. He kind of brought something interesting up,
which I’m gonna go ahead and just mock what he said ‘cause it makes sense and it seems
to correlate with the symptoms. It’s that, when he sees that the Stool test
doesn’t show Candida, but it does on the Urine, that he considers it a much worse overgrowth,
which I think is— is seems kind of counterintuitive. It’s like, “Okay. The Stool missed it, which it commonly does,
but then the Urine finds it.” thought, “Okay, that’s just Candida.” But, he’s saying, he thinks when the Stool
doesn’t find it at all, then it’s more systemic. Therefore— It’s not showing up in the
Stool ‘cause it’s more in the bloodstream, and therefore it’s a worse overgrowth. So, I thought that was a cool little caveat
that I’ve added to my— to my brain because, most of the time, 95% of the time, the Candida
shows negative on the GI Map Stool Test, which is what you and I utilize. But, the 95% of the time that it doesn’t
show there, it does show on the Urine Organic Acids Panel. There’s a whole section dedicated to Yeast
and Fungal markers that we look at. There’s Carboxy Citric acid. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: There’s Citric acid. There’s d-Arabinitol or d-Arabinose, which
is the gas that Candida produces. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: You’ve got Tartaric acid, which… Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Tartaric. Evan Brand: …is another one. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yep. Evan Brand: And, we look at these and that’s
like measuring the tailpipes. So, when you take your car in for Emissions
testing, we’re measuring the tailpipe of your body, which is the urine. And we’re saying, “Hey, look. Here’s the metabolite. Here’s the breakdown product.” Meaning, Candida’s in there and it broke
down into this organic acid, and we found it in the urine. So, there’s your 100% proof that it’s
there. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it. That is absolute knowledge bomb. So, I do like that. I do see the d-Arabinitol, like on Organic
Test. Uhm— It’s a really good indication of
systemic because it’s looking kind of, metabolically, what’s happening throughout the body, especially
if we miss it in the gut. I had about four patients this week, where
it missed it in the— the Gut Test, but then it came back in the Urine Test. So, that’s good to know. I also see other types of Yeast in some of
these testing, like Microsporidium or Geotrichum. What’s your experience with other types
of Yeast outside of Candida? Do you feel like Candida is the more viral
or invasive species? What’s your take? Evan Brand: Well, i would say, Candida’s
definitely more common. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: And, I do see the Microsporidia,
which is— It’s funny ‘cause it’s in the fungus category, but when you do a research
on it, it comes up being a parasite, too. So, it’s almost like it’s a parasite and
a fungus. I don’t know. It— Microsporidia is a weird one. Do you have a comment on that? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I mean, I would say that people that have
Yeast issues, uhm— tend to be more Candida-based, and I know Candida albicans is the one that’s
been researched the most. But, you know, if we see another type of Yeast
like a Microsporidia, we’re gonna treat it just the same. I don’t really… Evan Brand: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: …alter my Yeast
programs any different. We’re gonna still knock it out. Evan Brand: Agreed. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And— you know—
I see a lot of these Yeast issues combined with H. pylori, and it makes sense ‘cause
H. pylori alter stomach acid. What are your thoughts on that? Evan Brand: Oh, yeah. I mean, it’s huge. That’s what I had, right? That’s kind of what I was mentioning earlier. It’s that when the H. pylori does the damage
to your poridal cells, you’re not making stomach acids. So then, the food rots and putrefies, and
that fermentation process in the gut feeds Candida, where a normal commensal amount of
Candida becomes an overgrowth level. So, yeah. I would say, in— in the order of dominoes,
like chicken or egg, I would say, h. Pylori could absolutely come first and then Candida
overgrowth could follow. And, same thing with Proton Pump Inhibitors. Let’s just take the H. pylori out of the
picture and say somebody that was put on an acid-blocking medication because they had
heartburn. That would also lead to a pretty systemic
Yeast overgrowth. And, I second your thoughts— the Geotrichum,
the Microsporidia— these other type of Fungi and Yeast that we see. I don’t modify the protocol at all because
a lot of the herbs that are used for these protocols, they’re pretty cool. They’re pretty comprehensive. They’re gonna knock out parasites, bacteria,
yeast, kind of all in one fell swoop. So, really don’t have to do something different
if we see Candida plus Geotrichum. It’s something that we can just keep the
same. We just want to— we want to “test, don’t
guess,” which is the whole philosophy behind this. It’s, “Look. maybe you’ve got all those symptoms, but
wouldn’t you rather test yourself first with these functional medicine test that we’re
talking about rather than building up your supplement graveyard even further and buying
supplements that you’ve heard but you don’t really know if you need them? And, now, herbs are a thousand times safer
than antibiotics but it is true that we can kill some beneficial bacteria in the gut,
especially in like really, really young kids and toddlers and infants, where their immune
system isn’t formed. You might not want to throw a bunch of heavy
Oregano oil at a two-year old kid that we’re working with. So, get the test first, because then you’re
gonna be much more specific in terms of the— the options for the treatment. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Phenomenal. Excellent. And then, I noticed, when people find out
they have some type of critter of foreign uh— entity inside of their— their digestive
tract, they want to knock it out right away. And I find so many people, they’re going
after gut issues, but they haven’t had the foundational things in alignment. They haven’t had the— the hormonal uhm—
support, the nutrient support and the anti-inflammatory support on-board. Then, they go after these critters. They start feeling worse. Can you talk about how you sequence care or
treatment when you go after these gut bugs, especially Candida? Evan Brand: Yep. Well said. And uh— first, I just want to give credit
where credit’s due. You know— I thank—I thank you so much
for all the mentorship that you’d given me over the last several years because a lot
of this education, I had to learn the hard way. And that was by you helping me to create my
own protocols to work on myself. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm— Uhmhm— Evan Brand: And then, I took that knowledge
that you’ve taught me and put it into my clients. So… Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s great. Evan Brand: Just want to— to pause and say,
“Hey, look. You’re the man. Uh— Thank you.” And regarding the— the level of care that
you’re providing and the order of care that you’re providing, that’s huge. If you go to a quote/unquote “gut expert,”
they may just focus on just the gut. If you go to just a Lyme disease expert, you’re
gonna get diagnosed with Lyme and every issue that you have is related to Lyme. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: A hundred percent. Evan Brand: Headaches? It’s Lyme. Fatigue? It’s Lyme. Joint pain? It’s Lyme. And it may not be. It may be Rheumatoid arthritis caused from
a Prevotella infection, which is an autoimmune trigger that we see, or a Proteus mirabilis
infection, which is a bacteria that we see, for example, in Rheumatoid arthritis patients. You can look at the research on this. Seventy-five percent of people with new Onset
Rheumatoid arthritis have a Prevotella Infection, which is an autoimmune trigger that you and
I see on Stool test every single… Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Also— Evan Brand: …week. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Also, the Mycoplasma
infection, too. Evan Brand: Yeah, Mycoplasma, which my wife
had, and… Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes. Evan Brand: …she had bad joint pain from. So, long story short— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And when we knocked
the Mycoplasma out, what happened to her joint pain? Evan Brand: Her joint pain’s gone. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Gone. That’s it. Evan Brand: See, she’s so much better. So, he point I was getting at here is that—
you know— you and I, what we do is— is kind of like a specialty in it’s own. Right? Like, functional medicine and the type of
functional medicine that we’re creating and using with our clients is very, very specialized,
but at the same time, we’re generalist in the sense that we’re not gonna say everything
is Lyme. We’re not gonna say everything’s your
gut. We’re not gonna say everything is the thyroid,
if you’re a thyroid expert. Or, if you’re an adrenal expert, [clears
throat] we’re not gonna say everything’s adrenals. We have to look at all of it, and that’s
something that uh— I— you know— I really credit to you teaching me that, because if
you go too hard into a gut protocol, what happens is you start to get more fatigued. You may have die-off reactions, or Herxheimer
reactions, which in my opinion, like the longer I do this I’m starting to believe that Herxheimer’s
are— are like a myth. Or, not a myth, but that it shouldn’t happen. Like, if you design a good protocol, which
would involve supporting the adrenals, sometimes we have to support the adrenals for a month
before we even go into the gut protocol. If that person is too weak, the last thing
you want to do is start a war. Like, I mean— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: Uh— Uh— You know— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. Evan Brand: You have— You have such great
analogy so let me try to— to mock your skills with this. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [laughs] Evan Brand: You know— If we’re going into
the Civil war and we’ve got— you know— 50 guys on the Confederate side, and we’ve
got— you know— 5,000 guys on the North, that’s— that’s a not— That— That’s
a— That’s uh— If you’re the Confederates, you’ve got a bad chance of winning if you’ve
only got 50 guys left and then the North has 5,000. Like, you’re toast. And so, why would you want to go into battle
against those guys until you’ve built up your reserves. So, in this analogy, building up your adrenals
are the reserves. You’ve got to have the adrenals, the backup
generators for your energy production to come in and rebuild your army. So then, you can go into battle when it’s
a more fair battle. Once the army’s strong, once the adrenals
are on-board, and we’re supporting that with the use of adaptogenic herbs, things
like Ashwagandha. I’m a huge fan of Albizia bark, which comes
from the… Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm— Evan Brand: …Mimosa tree. Uh— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh! Evan Brand: Yeah, I love it. Motherwort. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: …came from Mimosa? Oh, that’s cool to know. Evan Brand: Yeah. Uh— Motherwort is been a huge favorite for
me. Blue Vervain has been something I’ve been
using a lot the last couple months. And, then of course, our standards that many
people talk about— Reishi mushroom, Cordyceps mushroom, Rhodiola can be great. Be careful if you’re Bipolar Manic depressive. Rhodiola can exacerbate it. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay. Good to know. Evan Brand: Uhm— Schisandra— Love Schisandra
berry extract. There’s also— Oh, God! What else could I mention? Eleuthera, which is Siberian Ginseng. Licorice, I use not too commonly because a
lot of people have blood pressure issues and Licorice, long-term, could elevate that just
a bit. I play with Licorice, but for me, it’s personally
too stimulating so I don’t use much of it.I focus more on the— the other herbs. And you know— especially because so many
people on our society are fatigued, but they’re tired and wired and they have anxiety. So, that’s why I generally start with the
more calming things, like the Albizia, the Sisyphus, which is a seed. [crosstalk] Sisyphus seed is very cool. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s what I’m
gonna say. Evan Brand: Yeah, ain’t it? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: —this. Right. Evan Brand: Uhm— M— Motherwort, which
is cool, and— and then the Ashwagandha, which I do pretty much everyday. Uh— I pretty much stay on adaptogens and—
and Kailash kind of called me out. He goes, “Well, you’re cheating. You— You need to fix your lifestyle.” Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh. Right there. Ashwagandha, baby. Love it. Evan Brand: Good. Kailash is like, “Evan, you’re cheating,
you know, because you’re just taking the adaptogens.” And— And then, I said, “Well, I’ve got
a little baby at home.” And he goes, “Oh, okay. Well, that’s just special circumstance. You deserve the adaptogens.” I was like, “Okay, good.” Uh— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [crosstalk] I think
the adaptogens are great. There’s a lot of long-term research on that. You know, Dr. Stephen Buhner talks about Ashwagandha’s
being one of those adaptogens that you can take long-term, which is great. I love that. Evan Brand: Yeah. And it’ funny though ‘cause he called
me out, and he’s like, “Evan, you’re just using that as a crutch so that you can
work five days a week when you should only be working three days a week, you know.” Uh— So, that was funny. And— And I agree, but you and I, we love
the hustle. We love the grind. We love helping people. So, uh— I’m so driven that I used the
adaptogens to help keep me going. And, I do have a baby at home, and she wakes
us up at night. And my sleep pattern, my Circadian rhythm
is not perfect. So, I use the adaptogens in that manner. But, back to the story of Candida, adrenal
support always should be on-board because it is a stress. Now, it’s a good stress, but still stress
to kill off these gun infections. So, that’s why adrenals need to be on-board. And then, we spoke about the liver support
too. So, if we were kind of piecing something together,
like step one-two-three, or maybe options one-two-three, A-B-C, that should be in—
in place, I would say, adrenals is at the top… Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup. Evan Brand: …and secondly is the gut support. And then, usually, the gut support has liver
support added. And then… Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup. Evan Brand: …inside of that, we could also
talk about some Mitochondrial support. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: If we see that there’s Mitochondrial
dysfunction, we could do Creatine, Ribose, Carnitine, CoQ10… Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right. Evan Brand: …PQQ, other nutrients to fuel
Mitochondria… Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup. Evan Brand: …so the energy levels can hurry
up. Now, if you support adrenals, you support
liver, you’re giving like N-Acetylcysteine, Milk Thistle kind of take in the load off
the liver, you can start producing more Glutathione from your liver on your own to help detox
improve, but we may need to throw an extra detox support. So, you and I talked a lot about the binders,
like the— the clays, the charcoals, the stuff like that to help pull stuff out. We’ll go back to the war analogy. If you’ve got the— the field— And I
think Kailash use the same analogy, but something along the lines of if the— if the battlefield
is full of all these dead bodies, all these dead bugs, but you don’t support the liver
and the gallbladder to get the— the dead bodies out of the field, you become overburdened. So, it’s kind of like, maybe if you had
a water hose but the golf ball was stuck at the end of the hose, and then you turned on
the hose, which is you killing all the bugs and trying to flush them out, but the detox
and drainage pathways are— are toast and they’re not open at the— at the end of
the hose, it’s not gonna work. And then, you start like feeling worse. And then, your practitioner says, “Oh. Herxheimer reaction is good. You’re getting better. Keep pushing forward.” It’s like, “No, no, no. I disagree.” I think that means something’s overburdened. You’re too weak. You’re creating too many toxins. You can’t keep up. You need sauna, or you need an Epsom Salt
Bath. Or, you need something, or you need to take
less herbs, or less intensity, or you need to shorten the duration of the herbs. If your body is screaming at you, saying,
“No, no, no, no, no,” don’t keep pushing forward. That’s silly. That’s like being on the train of going
across the bridge and then the track like disappears. You know— It’s like… Dr. Justin Marchegiani: A hundred percent. Evan Brand: I want to make sure. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, 100%. And, just to kind of echo a couple of things
that you just said. Number one, if we have a lot of infectious
debris inside of our gut that we’re killing off, that could easily overwhelm our body. So, if we sequence care the right way, with
the adrenals and all the diet stuff first, that’s gonna reduce inflammation. And when cell— When you you have less inflammation,
cells don’t stick together as much. They don’t uh— glutinate, so they can
move in the Lymphatic system better, and move out your body. And think of the Lymphatic system as— It’s
the interplay between the blood and the tissue so, as things die, we kind of have to get
them into the— you know— if we— they go into the blood. They go into the Lymph. And, ideally we excrete them out, whether
it’s stool or in our— you know— typically Stool or in our Urine. So, we have to make sure those pathways are
moving but the more inflamed we are, the more the cells stick together, and they glutinate
and become really stagnant and sludgy, and that increases stress on our detoxification
pathways. And the longer those toxins are there, it
stresses out our immune system. So, one of the things I wanted to highlight
in them will go back to treatment issues. There’s a lot of patients, they come in
there and they kill things out too fast or too hard. So, my instructions to patients is, “Go
taper it up. If you have a lot of die-off issues,” and
a lot of times it’s gonna be Fatigue, Malaise, Achy Joints, Headaches, or just an intensification
of the symptoms you already currently have. You either, number one, slow down, decrease
the dose, take the herbs with food. If it’s really bad, we do a supplement holiday
for half a week to a week, add it back in. Throw some ginger and binders in. And, I always just tell patients, “Make
sure you can tolerate.” If there’s a tiny bit of die-off and it’s
not affecting your life, fine. But if not, you got to follow that die-off
reaction protocol to calibrate the dosage and add in more binding support. What are your thoughts on that? Evan Brand: Yeah. I think it’s excellent. And, so many people that we work with, they’ve
already been to 20 practitioners before they get to us. So, generally speaking, they’re pretty sick. So, you and kind of have to tiptoe sometimes
with people, and that’s fine. It takes a little bit of work. It takes extra brain power for us to tiptoe
and handhold these clients, but look. If you’re listening to this, I’m guessing
you’ve already done something and it hasn’t worked, which is why you’re here listening
to us. And, you know, between the two of us, we’ve
worked with thousands and thousands of people at this point. So many that we’ve lost count. And what I’m finding is that people are—
are sicker and sicker, that are coming to us and we have to— we have to babystep this. And for me, I’m pretty sensitive, so if
somebody tells you, “Take four capsules of something,” that’s the full dose, I’m
gonna start with one. And, I’m gonna stick with one capsule for
a few days, and then maybe on day three or four, you bump up to two capsules. And you stick with that for a few days, and
then you go up to three. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes. Evan Brand: And then, maybe two weeks later,
now you’re at the full therapeutic dose. I tell people that— I say, “Look. You’re not gonna get a trophy if you get
to the full dose right away.” Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right. Evan Brand: You’re not gonna win. You— You’re not gonna… Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hundred percent. Evan Brand: I’m not sending you anything
in the mail. I’m not sending you any Gold bars or Silver
bars because— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [laughs] Evan Brand: …because you got to full-dose
on day three. Like, “Look. Take your time. Start with the adrenals. Get yourself feeling strong. Get your sleep dialed in. Make sure you’re going to bed. If you’re listening to this at 2:00 A.M.,
shut down the computer. Get off your phone, and go to bed. Come back and listen to this in the morning.” Like, you’ve go to have sleep dialed in. I don’t care how many adaptogenic herbs
you take. If your sleep is crap, it’s gonna be tough
to heal. There’s a lot of detox and other things
going on in the middle of the night that you just can’t do if you’re— if you’re
up all night and you’re overworking. So, if you’re working 70 hours a week, you’ve
got to fix that first. I talked to a guy yesterday, who’s a Real
Estate Salesman, and he’s been fatigued for ten years. His wife was on speaker phone with us so it
was kind of like a three-way conversation. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm— Uhmhm— Evan Brand: And uh— And— And she says—
you know, “He comes home. He eats dinner at 6:00, and then he’s passed
out on the couch at 6:30.” And— And she goes, “And it’s not a light
sleep.” She goes, “This full sleeping for three
hours, and then he gets up at, you know, 9:00 or 10:00 o’clock. And he crawls into bed.” I said, “Oh, man.” You know, “How long is this thing going
on for?” And she says, “Ten years.” This guy’s been working 75 hours a week
for a decade. I said, “Man, when’s the last time you
took a vacation?” He goes, “I have no idea.” And then we— you know— talked about sex
drive. Of course, sex drive is gone, which usually
happens with gut issues, but with that amount of stress. I’m like, “So, do you guys— you know—
Do you have a relationship? You know, sexual relationship?” He’s like, “Once in a blue moon.” And of course, they’re both not happy about
that. I’m like… Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: “Why don’t you guys just schedule
a two or three-day weekend away somewhere? Why don’t you guys take a trip somewhere
and try to get that spark back in your life?” And then, “Look, man. Why don’t you hire a couple admins to help
take off some of the load? Like, you’re doing all these paperwork and
stuff. Surely, you can— You can offload some of
this to somebody so you can do only the expert task.” And he’s like, “Oh! What a great idea!” Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: And also like, this is the more
practical stuff that I think people need to consider when they’re working on this protocol
because everyone’s busy. And, if you’re so busy, you can’t heal. And, that’s why I’m taking the entire
month of June off. By the time people are listening to this talk,
this is gonna be in July, and maybe you and I’ll— uh— we’ll chat and you’ll
say, “Evan, you’re crazy. Maybe you only need two weeks,” and I may
come back on the clock. But, the goal is at least a few weeks off,
just because I want to try a full reset and see. “Okay. If I’m fully disconnected from the emails
and— you know— the client care, what does that do for me?” So uh— So, I’m gonna try it. So, long story short, if you have stress,
you have relationship issues, you’re working too much, plese address those issues, as well
as address the protocol stuff.” Dr. Justin Marchegiani: One hundred percent. I love it. And anyone listening to this, make sure you
subscribe right now. Go over to, C-A-N-D-I-D-A-S-U-M-M-I-T. We’ll put the link below. We’ll put some annotations on screen here. Make sure you subscribe because this is gonna
be one interview out of 30, and I’m— I’m so pleased that i had the honor to interview
you ‘cause it’s your summit, and it’s just great that you are actually contributing
to your summit. It’s amazing, I know, but you’ll probably
provide some of the most valuable information, ‘cause especially when it’s happened to
you and you’re connected to it, and you see improvements— I mean, how can you not
be incredibly passionate about it? Evan Brand: Agreed. I know. I feel like you and I could chat for three
hours but we said we probably want to make it short and sweet, because then we give too
much information and people have no clear action steps. So, I just— L— Look. here’s the deal, too, for people listening. We spoke about this on— on Dr. J’s interview
on the Candida Summit as well. If you like what you hear, our interaction
or rapport that we have together, our conversational tone. We make functional medicine fun. That’s like our tagline. McDonald says like, “Billions and billions
served.” You know, open a box of happy or whatever,
something crazy. Anyway… Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [laughs] Evan Brand: We make functional medicine fun. So, if— if you like what you’re hearing,
this is only just a snippet of what we discuss. So, please look up Justin, Justin Marchegiani. Check him out. He’s the man, I’m telling you. This guy has changed my life more than anyone
over the last five years. Uh— I’m— I’m so— you know— [stutters]
indebted and so grateful for— for friendship and relationship. So please, go look him up. Go study him. You know, subscribe on his YouTube, if you’re
not already. Subscribe to the podcast. And him and I chat pretty much every week
so make sure that you’re tuned in because this is just the tip of the iceberg today. And, then obviously, make sure you’re signed
up for my podcast as well. And, you know, like, “Okay. I’m here for the summit. Why are you talking to me about this?” We’ll because, look. You’re not just gonna hear this talk and
magically everything’s gonna get improved in your life. This takes time. This takes repetition. Just like you’re in the gym, you’re not
gonna go hit biceps once and then your arms look like Arnold Schwarzenegger. You’ve got to come back every week to the
gym. So, if you come back every week to us and
you’re finding one other little new ones golden nugget that you can add into your health
protocol, that’s what it takes. It’s repetition. Repetition. Repetition. Apply. Learn. Apply. Learn. I could care less if you’re impressed by
the brain candy if you don’t act on it. So, that’s the secret. That’s why I want you guys subscribed to
my Evan Brand podcast and Justin’s podcast because I believe you need a partner, an accountability
partner, where you tune in once a week or once a month, whenever you can and you get
the knowledge and then you apply one little baby step. Maybe it’s you changed your job. Maybe it’s you get rid of the toxic person
in your life. Maybe it’s you cut out the— the— the
Gluten-free brownies that you’re eating, or you stopped the Kombucha per— you know—
for a little bit because maybe you’ve got excess fermentation, and the Kombuca makes
you feel worse but you didn’t know it. You know— That’s the golden nuggets that
we might not talk about here but that can give you the significant improvement that
you need. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s phenomenal
info, and I appreciate the— the flattery. That is very kind, and flattery will always
get you everywhere with me, Evan. Just so you know. Evan Brand: Uh! [laughs] Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [laughs] Evan Brand: Well, hey look. I got— I got to keep it real, you know. And, like I said, there’s— there’s a
million uh— people out there that the— that I could learn from, but— but you have
a really good way of taking complex things, breaking them into simple actionable steps,
and that’s done so much for me personally but clinically as well. So, you know, uh— uh— I like tooting your
horn but I’m serious, man. I really, really appreciate it. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, you’re welcome. And anyone listening to the summit, make sure
you go over to, because this conversation doesn’t end just with the Candida
Summit, and there’s a lot of other topics that we’ll get into down the road. And, I want to just kind of pivot here to
some of the herbs and the antimicrobials that you’re using. I know you kind of alluded to some earlier. I really want to lay it out, but I also want
to put a caveat for listeners. It’s really easy to be like, “I got this
bug. Let me just hit these herbs.” we kind of already gave you some caveats earlier,
but just kind of remember. It’s gonna be always better to have a complete
program set up, especially if there’s already hormonal stressors or detox stressors or maybe
diagnosed autoimmune issues. You really want a comprehensive program but
tie it in. So, with that caveat— and again, Evan’s
available internationally, worldwide. I am as well. So, if you want to dig in deeper— you know,
we’re gonna be some great guides or Sherpas, so to speak, to help you get to the top of
the mountain. But, Evan, let’s just talk about some of
your favorite herbs that you used and how you sequence them. I know you have some that you formulated as
well so I want to go into those too. Evan Brand: Cool. Yeah. So, like you mentioned, it’s good to have
uh— uh— a partner. I mean, we’re biased. We think that we know enough to significantly
help you. So, we’re gonna say, “Hey, look. Work with us because we’ve done this a thousand
times and our success rates are very high.” “Are there other practitioners out there
that could probably help you?” Of course. We’re not against those. We— We’re— We’re for anybody that
helps you. I always say, “Look for a practitioner that’s
creating content. If they just have like a really pretty smile
on their website but they have no content, they’re not regularly producing content,
be questionable because maybe they’re stuck and they’re stagnant in their protocols,
where every week, you and I are discussing what worked, what did not work? So, that’s the disclaimer. I’ve got two different formulas that I’ve
used a thousand times that works so good, called MicroBiome Support II, MicroBiome Support
III. These are the formulas that I have that have
a combination of herbs. So, these are things like Yoro flower, Hedyotis. Cutch tree, which is a bark, Java brucea,
which is a fruit, Wormwood extract, which many people know Wormwood for being an antiparasitic. But, it also can kill gram positive bacteria,
which are lot of the bacteria we see on Stool test. Dill seed is in there as well. And then, we’ve got the MicroBiome Support
III, which I use for Candida every single day. And the MicroBiome III, this is Olive leaf. This is Stinging Nettle root. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Mm— Evan Brand: This is Pau D’arco, which is… Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hm— Evan Brand: …a bark. Many people can drink pau D’arco bark tea. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Tea, yeah. Evan Brand: That’s great, but it’s not
gonna work as good as a supplement extract. Thyme leaf is in there, French Tarragon leaf,
Horsetail herb, and a few others. And this is kind of our antimicrobial/antifungal,
because Olive leaf, not only does it help with blood sugar but it helps with viruses,
and it helps with fungi. So, I use this protocol pfft— every single
week. I told you before we got on the show. I said, “Man, can you believe the combination
of herbs and how much stuff you can knock out across the board. So, if we’re talking parasites, bacteria,
Candida, all at once, if I run the MicroBiome II and III, six capsules a day— two, two
and two, breakfast, lunch, dinner. Of course, we’re doing the liver support,
which is gonna be something like my Liver Synergy. If we’re doing an adrenal support, which
there’s many variations of that, plus digestive enzymes. We’ve got a really, really heavy hitting
1-2-3-4 punch, and we’re gonna pretty much knock out all the bugs. And die-off reactions are gonna be pretty
minimized because we’re supporting adrenals, we’re supporting liver. And then, the herbs that we’re using, they’re
potent, but they’re not so potent that they’re gonna make you sick. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it. I mean, phenomenal information. I mean, where can you get this much information
in 45-minute uh— summit interview? So, all the listeners, give us a thumbs up. Give us a share right now. Give us a like. You know, if you— If you’re writing somewhere
where you have the ability to put comments, let us know your thoughts. We want to continue to provide better information,
and this summit is a— awesome platform to do so. Evan, is there anything else you wanted to
add for the listeners here… Evan Brand: Uh— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: …before we wrap
up? Evan Brand: yeah. I would say, “Don’t give up.” If you hear that there’s a Silver bullet,
be skeptical of the Silver bullet. Like, if somebody says, “Hey. All of your problems are X-Y-Z.” Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm— Evan Brand: I— I doubt it. I doubt it. It’s always multifactorial. For me, it was adrenals. It was H. pylori. It was bacteria. It was Candida. It was a bad Circadian rhythm. It was working night shift, when I was in
college. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm— Evan Brand: It was excess stress. It was Gluten that was previously in my diet. It was dairy that was in my diet. It was bad relationships, maybe toxic emotions
from certain people I was taking on. It was obligations that I had in my plate
that I should have gotten rid of. Like, all that stuff was part of the protocol. So, if you just said, “Evan, it’s Candida,”
it would have been wrong because it wasn’t. So, make sure you get a good functional medicine
practitioner on your team. Get a good work up. If it’s Justin, awesome. If it’s me, awesome. If it’s somebody else and they still give
you the same success rate as us, awesome. I don’t care who it is, but I want you to
get better. And, we’re up against a lot. The healthcare system is collapsing on itself
right now. But, I believe, with the functional medicine
wave that we’re riding right now, I believe we can turn this tide around. And, it’s a— it’s a division of two
systems. And I’m not saying, “Ditch mainstream
medicine,” like if you— If you break your arm— Like I thought I broke my arm like
a few weeks ago, please go get the X-ray and see if your arm’s broken or not… Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [laughs] Evan Brand: …and then get help. But, thank goodness, I didn’t break my arm. Justin, help me. He was like, “We were— I was in the back
of the car, driving to the— to the Urgent Care.” And Justin’s like, “Hey turn your hand
this way. Move your hand this way. Hey, can you put your arm up?” He’s like, “Okay. I don’t think it’s broken, but get it
checked out anyway.” So, uh— look. Still do that stuff, but once you found out
that your arm is not broken, then you got to get back to the functional medicine world. Check out your Mitochondria. Check out your liver. Check out your gut. Check out your adrenals. Check out your thyroid. If you have autoimmune disease, take this
stuff even more serious. Hashimoto’s, etc., Rheumatoid arthritis,
if you’ve got Alopecia, if you’ve got Sjogren’s— I don’t care what you’ve
got, autoimmune-wise. You’ve got to do the work. Because, you’re not gonna get a magic drug
that’s gonna fix your autoimmune disease. You’ve got to address all of this stuff. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That is amazing. How does it feel to give the best summit interview
in your own summit? Evan Brand: Hey. Well… Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [laughs] Evan Brand: …I think it was pretty good. Uh— It feels good. It feels good. Uh— I don’t ever want to be like an all-knowing
guru. I just want to tell people, “Look. I figured out enough to help a lot of people. I don’t know everything. I never will. But, I’ve learned enough to significantly
move the needle.” And I’m happy with that. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And I think one of
the nice things that we’ve kind of— we got a pretty good tag team going, where we
kind of feed off of each other, which is great. You help push me up. I help push you up. In the— In the interview and the content
delivery process, and that’s— that’s awesome. It creates momentum, and that momentum—
You know, the listeners get the benefit from that so we’re really excited. Evan Brand: Yeah. I get emails every week. Man, when you and Justin get together, it’s
the best. So— I mean, you and I kind of joke. It’s like, “Okay. Let’s just never interview anybody else,
except each other, because we have so much fun together.” But then, we may become stagnant. So, we still interview and have a lot of good
conversations with other practitioners. But, yeah. Uh— i don’t think there’s anything like
the energy that you and I have together. So, once again, thank you so much. Thanks for interviewing me. Thanks for helping me out with this project. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You’re so welcome,
Evan., subscribe and get all 30 listeners. I’ll be speaking in that as well at Available for consultations worldwide. And again, if you’re on the fence and you’re
trying to figure out if you’re a good fit, there are also some introductory consults
there, where you can get screened and see if you’re ready for the next step. Evan Brand: [crosstalk] Yeah. Justin, tell people about uh— you, as well,
how people can keep up with you, study you, study your work, etc. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So, yeah. Got to uh—, J-U-S-T-I-N-H-E-A-L-T-H
dot(.) com. You’ll see my podcast link there. Subscribe my YouTube links. Subscribe. Get on my newsletters so you get all these
information right at your fingertips. And if you need to reach out to me, if Evan’s
a better fit for you, personality-wise, go with Evan, or go with me if you feel like
you’re a better fit. See what’s best for you. The most important thing is it— it’s got
to be in alignment with you and health and how it’s in that— you know— That—
That way, you’re gonna be the most compliant. You’re gonna be on track. But either way, you can’t go wrong, and
I’m so excited to be part of this and make sure everyone just shares it with someone
so this information gets out there. Our goal is to help millions of people, and
we cannot do it alone. Everyone listening plays a small part in that. We really appreciate the listeners. So, thanks so much everyone and have a phenomenal
day. Evan Brand: Take care. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Bye.

5 Replies to “Candida Summit with Evan Brand | Podcast #181”

  1. Hi Doctor great job, I have a question about the test use to diagnose candida which is organic acid, in especific arabinose, is this test acurate considering there are food that contain arabinose and we could get a false positive?

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