Thyroid Reset Summit | Podcast #218

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hey guys, it’s Dr.
Justin Marchegiani here. Guess what’s up, the Thyroid Reset Summit
is live today. So, make sure you click below, there’ll
be links where you can access the summit, make sure you register. I’m giving up my full, free 88-page eBook,
it’s the first 3 chapters in my 12-chapter book, it’s gonna be amazing. I’m here with Evan Brand as well. Evan’s a- was a phenomenal interviews as well. So, make sure you subscribe to go access Evan’s
interview. There’s gonna be links below where you guys
can access it all, I appreciate it. Evan, welcome today’s chat, I’m excited that
thyroid summit is here. Evan Brand: Yeah, I’m excited too. Your talk is today. So, if people wanna hear me interviewing you,
that’s a day 1 of the summit. So, your pretty face is on there, and you
great- you gave a stellar interview, and there’s already tons of good comments, we were just
reviewing that together, there’s tons of good comments and feedback coming in already on
the summit and we’re still in like, you know, day 1. So, this is like the open house so to speak,
of the summit. If people, you know, have been living under
a rock, or they just don’t know how summits work. Basically, what it is, is Justin put together
30+ expert interviews. These are anywhere between 30 and 45 minutes
in length, and they’re all on the topic of thyroid health. So we- he’s gonna get in to anything from
autoimmune thyroid to gut infections and thyroid, to mitochondria and thyroid, to chemical toxins
to trauma, and stress and how that affects thyroid and hormones. So, each different expert has their own unique
view, and he make sure to extract as much information as he can, it’s all free. You just register free. So,, you go there,
you register free, put your name, your email in, you can access it as long as you get on
your computer or your phone, on the day of the talk, you can access about 5 talks for
free every day for a week. And then after a week, depending on what your
all’s feedback is, they’ll probably do an on-core, you get one last chance to view him
for free, and then, what I recommend you do, is you buy the summit, it supports Justin,
it supports the mission, it gets his information out to the masses because your average doctor
is not having the type of conversations that Justin is having on this summit. These are conversations that are very advanced. And something that’s still broken down, simply
free to understand, but in terms of timeline here, it could be another 10 years before
mainstream doctors are even addressing the stuff that’s being discussed now. So, don’t wait, don’t suffer. Buy the talks, it ends up being like 50 bucks
or something. That’s ridiculous how cheap it is, and you
could own all 30 talks, you’ll get transcripts, etc. Is Justin paying me to promote this thing? No, he’s not, it’s just freaking awesome and
I’ve already read the book. And, the book is amazing, and the summit is
amazing. So, please buy it and support him so he can
keep buying grass-fed stakes so- he’d to stay healthy so that he can do a podcast with me. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I appreciate that
Evan, thanks so much. So, I just, you know, being a thyroid expert
and also being a part of the summit yourself, what are some of the topics that you feel
like were most compelling for you in and around the area of thyroid? I have a couple in my mind but, what reason
they would give the most? Evan Brand: Oh, man. Well, I would say the ones on trauma. Uh, you’ve got ___[03:03] on there, which
is just incredible, because, I think trauma is something that, well, we already know this,
uh- a- as Americans, we repress our emotions, we repress our traumas, we try to just move
on, we ignore traumas, we throw ’em under the carpet and we just don’t wanna talk about
this stuff, but what you and Nicky discussed was amazing which is the fact that, depending
on how your childhood uh, was. You talked about the ACE score, the Adverse- Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: -Childhood Experiences score- Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup. Evan Brand: -and how- what you all are seeing. And I’m seeing the same thing too, is that,
the higher the ACE score, the more likely it is that you’re gonna have a problem, and
it could be a thyroid, and/or an autoimmune thyroid problem, all linked back to something
20 years ago. And so, you all had a great discussion about,
well, how do you start working on these things that happen to you? It’s not to say, “Hey, we need to go back
to counseling, and, you know, go take the guy into counseling with you, who beat you
up 20 years ago, it’s not that, it’s no, there’s ways you can clear these traumas from your
body, and a lot of it is free. So, I think that’s probably the most powerful
starting place. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, and also a lot
of these traumas too, they affect the HPA access. And, some people that they may have addressed
the issue but, they’re kinda dealing with the collateral damage, whether it’s adrenal
issues or gut issues, and- and/or compromising the immune system, maybe even infections just
from all that stress, or maybe even they developed an ___[04:23] disorder which is created all
kinds of adrenal and blood sugar and nutrient deficiencies. So, we gotta look at everything from the root
cause. Okay, is the root cause addressed, okay good,
and now, we gotta also do damage control as well. But, while fixing everything in a ___[04:37]
root cause kind of, manner using nutrients and- and sport. Evan Brand: Yeah, now, I will say, if you
just focus on traumas and nothing else, and let’s say you start doing the EFT, the Emotional
Freedom Technique which is the tapping that you and I both love. I love tapping. I’m gonna start tapping- Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: I’m [crosstalk]… uh, so, when
you start tapping, this is basically like acupuncture without the needles, so you’re
helping to basically recalibrate your nervous system, so you’re not stuck in fight or flight. And I’ll do this, like if I going stage or
if I’m gonna go on an airplane, I’ll just tap, tap, tap, tap it out, and I just feel
really good from it. And, there’s practitioners, this is such a
powerful tool. There are practitioners that’s all they do,
is tapping. Now, you and I, we both agree that tapping
by itself is probably gonna be pretty limited, it’s not gonna be fixing root causes, but
can they help reset the nervous system, which could therefore improve your thyroid health
and potentially lower your thyroid antibodies? I would say, absolutely. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, I mean, if you
have significant unresolved traumas, especially in the area of sexual abuse, or just issues
growing up. Uhm, even disorder stuff, control issues or
any kind of abuse. I think it’s really important especially if-
if I’m talking with a patient and, “Have you really fully adro- uh, you know, resolve that?”,
“Can you go back and think about it, and talk about it, this is not really bring your emotion
up let’s say, pass a 3 out of 10”. And if they can’t answer that, or you start
to hear them sob on the phone, or on- on the video, and that tells me we gotta work on
that. So, it really just depends on how much they’ve
done to resolve and to move past that. Uhm, but, if- if they haven’t done- I have
people that I refer out to, they had- they really dive in with that work for sure. Evan Brand: Yup. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [Crosstalk]…that
activates the sympathetic fight or flight kind of nervous system response and, if that
keeps going, that can just be a drain on your adrenals. And we know how important a cortisol is to
inflammation, and if we have thyroid issues and autoimmune thyroid, and we don’t have
enough healthy levels of cortisol to- to deal with that stress, or if our cortisol levels
had been depleted, uhm, the HPA access dysregulation that- that brain talking to the adrenals,
that feedback loop is disrupted, that can definitely creates some major challenges for
sure. Evan Brand: Yeah. So, we should talk about reversed T-3. We actually had a question here from the Doc
J.C., uh said, “Please go over the significance of reversed T-3. What range do you feel as optimal? It seems to be frequently ignored or not seems
to be so significant. Thanks, looking forward to the summit”. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, I hundred percent
agree. Now, think of reversed T-3 as like metabolic
blades for our metabolic uh, magazine, or gun- gun cartridge so to speak, right? We put all the bullets in it, uhm, the metabolic
blades, they take up space where an actual metabolic bullet would be, we fire the gun,
we get the noise but we have no bullet coming out. Basically, these reversed T-3 compounds, they’re
blocking the receptor sites; every single cell in the body has receptor sites for thyroid
hormone. So, when we had excess, reversed T-3, it’s
gonna clog up that receptor site for T-3, and it’s gonna decrease the ability for that
T-3 to fill up the receptor sites. Also, you had T-4. Let’s say you have 80%- let’s say you have
a higher percent of T-4 convert to reversed T-3 over T-3, it’s also robbing the ability
for that T-3 to- to be fully expressed. So, imagine we have, let’s just say, let’s
just say we have 10 units of T-4, alright? Just hypothetical numbers here. And let’s say we’ll typically converting 80%
to T- to T-3, and 20% to reversed T-3, there’s naturally gonna be some reversed T-3 levels. Let’s say, anywhere between the low 10’s to
the upper 10’s, right? Then you know that’s a good level, alright? That’s the actual lab reference range. In my analogy, let’s say we have 20% goin’
reversed T-3, 80% go into T-3, our actual metabolic active thyroid hormone. Well, typically, when stress starts to happen,
low calorie diets, more stress, adrenal issues, inadequate levels of selenium, we may start
to see a 70-30, a 60-40 split, where more of that building block is going to reversed
T-3, less going to actual T-3. So, we’re having less T-3 but we’re also having
the congestion of the receptor sites. So, that T-3 that’s now there, the lesser
T-3 it’s there, it’s not able to dock in to that receptor site, the locking key methods
not able to go in because someone put gum in the keyholes, so to speak. Evan Brand: Yeah, great analogy. So, let’s take it a step further. So, what happens then? ‘Cause you and I , we’ve tracked my blood
for several years, little that I know, I was living with mold, and that mold was messing
up my thyroid, that was part of the problem, I had elevated reverse T-3, and you and I
been looked at and we’ve been like, “Okay, let’s look at gut”, “Okay, stool test is clean,
let’s look at adrenals, okay, adrenals look decent. Well, where the heck was this reversed T-3
be coming from?”. I’ve- in my opinion, I believe it was all
the stress that my immune system was dealing with because I had elevated white blood cell
count, at the same time as I had elevated reverse T-3. So, it’s not that it changed my game plan
of my protocol at all, it was really just an indicator of “Okay, so here’s why I probably
have cold hands, cold feet, my body temperature was running like a 97.7. Unless you tell me I’m wrong, I think that
was all related to that reversed T-3 being so high. I was in the 30’s. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup. Yup, it could’ve been. And we also know, you know, if you have a-
a liver stress, right? Livers’ really important because it make enzymes
that are gonna help activate thyroid hormone, and it also helps to clear reverse T-3. So, make sense over stress, glutathione form
toxins in the environment that can affect our ability to clear it as well. Evan Brand: Yeah, I think I was like 35, uh,
on my [crosstalk] Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And again, how- you
know, we can see low calorie diets, increased reverse T-3, that’s why- that’s why in the
long run, cutting calories to lose weight doesn’t work ’cause it just slows down your
thyroid. So, then when you come back to reality and
you actually are eating a normal amount of food, now, your metabolism slower, so now
you end up storing more fat on the buckets. Evan Brand: You wanna know something crazy
related to hormones and- Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: -gaining weight and all that? So, something that I learned the past few
weeks, is that mycotoxins can actually bind to your leptin receptor. And this is why some people have gained weight
on like 800 to a thousand calories is ’cause the mycotoxins are preventing leptin signaling
from working properly. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, I know. I had a conversation with Dave Asprey a couple
of years ago. There’s a compound called the Zearalenone. It’s- it’s a mold kind of herpes that actually
put into the ears of these cows. And the Zearalenone literally causes the cows
to convert more of their calories to fat. Evan Brand: Oh my gosh. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s what it does. So, they would use some of these connection- Evan Brand: And that’s a mycotoxin? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s a mycotoxin,
they put it in their- in the cow’s ear, be the- like a little pellet- Evan Brand: Oh. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: -and they re-absorb
it through the ear canal. And this is, you know, first hand from Dave
Asprey. And it will cause more fat gain, so it would
allow them to convert more calories to fat which, you know, bottom line, more weight
on scale, so, more- uh, more cost per cow, so to speak, ’cause it’s all weight-driven. So, yeah, mold and mycotoxins are- are a big
one, alright? And we’ll do another podcast on that- Evan Brand: I did another interview- if I
did another interview on your summit, my whole talk would be about thyroid and mold because
I’ve had tons of hypothyroid symptoms. Now, I still have 6 pack abs, I’m still ripped,
uh but I had like cold body temperature, cold hands, cold feet and all that related to mold. So, if I did an “Evan on Justin’s Summit Part
2” it would be all about mold and how I think so many people with thyroid problems probably
have mold in their house that’s helping to destroy their immune system and cranking up
reversed T-3, elevating liver enzymes, reducing detoxification, and the body’s got to try
to focus on mold, and then they can’t focus on other stuffs- Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: -so then chemical toxins get built
up, it seems like a huge like lynchpin. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, I- and the only
thing I would add is do all the- the natural- do all the things first and leave that to
the end- Evan Brand: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: -because, you did
it that way too. And then we saw there was an issue and then
we dealt with it on the back end, uhm, my biggest concern is mold and things like that
can be- can be more in the expensive side, and it can be a rat hole for some people,
meaning, if they do the foundational things first, they may get some significant relief
upfront, and it won’t be as cost- it won’t be as costly as dealing with the- the mold
in the back end. But, some people- Evan Brand: It won’t be as overwhelming. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. And the only exception being, hey there’s
active leak, you got water stains on your ceiling, uhm, you know, there’s- there’s an
act- you can actually actively visualize mold or water leaking, then I would say that it
has to be dealt with right away. [crosstalk]. Evan Brand: I’ve- I’ve probably stayed afloat
a lot longer than I did before I developed a lot of major symptoms because I had all
the foundations in order- Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes. Evan Brand: And so that’s- that’s why the
summit is gonna be key- it’s not to- it’s not designed to replace a consultation with
Justin if you have thyroid problems, you still need to consult with Justin, for sure, but
this is more designed for you to get the information you need for you to get the questions answered
that you have in your head. And once you have all those questions answered,
you’re gonna learn more about types of thyroid lab testing that you need to run reversed
T-3 being one of those markers. These are things you can bring up to your
endocrinologist or your GP and tell them, “Hey, I heard on this summit, this guy Dr.
Justin talked about “XYZ”, can you do that for me?”. And we’ve had clients report back to us and
say, “Hey…”, you know, “…thanks to you, or thanks to your podcast, I was able to get
this and this, and this run on my blood work, and my doctor only ran it because I asked
them to”. So if you just go with the status quo, you’re
probably not gonna get the result you’re looking for from the mainstream. Now, if you find a really good endocrinologist
or a doc that’s gonna listen and run these extra important thyroid markers that are not
generally run, you may be able to make them work, or you gotta go to the functional side. My opinion, I’m gonna say go to the functional
side, ’cause your endocrinologist is never gonna look at the stuff Justin’s looking at
and saying, “Hey, you know, these bacterial infections do this; this parasite does this”,
it’s the last thing you’re gonna hear from them. They’re gonna say, “Oh, you can go to an infectious
disease doctor, you think you have parasites?” And then they’ll just refer you out and you’ll
go nowhere. That’s why we’re kinda generalist and specialist
on the same token. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly, that’s really
good point. Let’s kinda dive in to the next question here,
let me pull it up. Uhm… let’s talk about Maca. Maca and hypothyroidism. So, number 1, if we see- Maca’s gonna be really
good especially for women. Uhm, there are some good Maca forms for men
too but it’s gonna really help modulate estrogen levels that can even help with progesterone
levels. So, why is this helpful? If we have estrogen dominance, that can definitely
increase thyroid binding globulin and decrease the amount of free thyroid hormone. So, it can definitely lower our free thyroid
hormones. So, if we modulate our female hormones and
improve that balance in that estrogen and progesterone ratio that can definitely improve
the amount of biologically active thyroid hormone. Also, for in a, estrogen dominant state, we
need good levels of progesterone. And progesterone help stimulate thyroid peroxidase
and make thyroid hormones. So, good enzyme activity from TPO is important,
and that can help make thyroid hormone. So, good levels of progesterone help with
that as well. Evan Brand: Can you talk a little bit about
age? I mean, this is something that you ask your
average women, aged 15 above, they’re gonna say, “Oh, my thyroid”, or “Oh, my hormones”. Can you talk about kind of what happens when
you’re transitioning from a normal cycling female to you go into perimenopause- menopause
___[15:33] when you go to those stages. And ___[15:36] to say, “Oh, oh it’s my hormones”. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Yeah. So, in general, typically, women may start
their perimenopausal phase in their early 40’s. This is where like a lot of these menopausal
symptoms start to happen. Whether it’s skipping a cycle, mild hot flashes,
mild hair loss, mood issues. And again, it’s- it’s- it can be- it’s hard
to distinguish perimenopause and just PMS and cy- and cyclical hormone imbalances. Especially where I see a lot of these symptoms
happening with women in their 20 and 30’s, it’s hard to distinguish, but you’re typically
seeing some of these menopausal symptoms, they may happen throughout the month, where
the premenstrual symptom that are just tend- tending to happen a week, maybe a couple days,
sometimes 2 weeks before period. So, you- you gotta look at it and distinguish. Typically, what’s happening is you’re having
a decreased ovarian reserve and then the estrogen and the progesterone are starting to drop. And sometimes you see estrogen drop a little
bit slower than progesterone, so then you still have low hormones, yet still have estrogen
dominance. And again, perimenopause is done once you’ve
had cycle for one year. So you have that kind of in between phase
and lower adrenal functions in a predisposed at because your adrenals are making a lot
of precursor hormone that’s gonna provide building blocks for your sex hormones. So, lower adrenal function, cortisol stress,
HPA access stress, that communication from the brain to the adrenals, when that’s dysregulated,
you’re draining that backup ge- battery generator to help make more of the hormones. So, when that follicle starts to drop, then
the adrenals gonna help pick up the slack. Evan Brand: So, would you say all women post-menopausal
should be on some type of adaptogenic herb hormone support, and can that replace or remove
the need for like bioidenticals? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It depends how strong
their hormones are, uh, it depends how strong their adrenal glands are already. Evan Brand: Okay. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Number 1. And number 2, it depends on how severe their
symptoms are. Evan Brand: Okay. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So, we’ll use specific
phenotypes of Maca for perimenopausal women or menopausal women, that can help, some do
need adrenal support obviously than some may need some of the bioidentical progesterone,
estrogen support, it just depends on their severity of symptoms, how long it’s been going
on for, and how their hormones look, adrenal wise, female wise and thyroid. And this is where it stop because hair loss,
it’s a thyroid symptom but also lower female hormones can cause it too. So, so can like cool their temperature when
waking, that could be a thyroid issue, it could be a female hormone issue. This is why testing is so important. It really allows you to like, walk into the
situation clinically, feeling like you’re on top of what’s going on. Evan Brand: Yup, well said. And- and, I wonder, does that change much? If a woman’s had like a partial or a full
hysterectomy, or maybe she’s got her ovaries gone, the uterus is gone, is that like, hey,
there’s no way adaptogenic adrenal support’s gonna help you? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, soon as they
go- as soon as they have a uhm- a full hysterectomy where the ovaries are gone, they’re menopausal
right away, right? So, they’re automatically in menopause. If it’s a partial hysterectomy where the uterus
is gone, typically that’s happening from maybe a fibroid, maybe some endometriosis. Uh, a lot of times it’s done in- in haste
because there’s excessive bleeding or he- hemorrhagia, and the doctor’s like, let’s
just pull it out which is crazy like, let’s fix the hormones, let’s fix the underlying
issue, a lot of times you can keep your uterus. Now, there’s some literature, you know, if
you look at some of the endocrinology techs, there’s some people saying that, “Hey…”,
you know, “…your uterus maybe producing some level of hormone. So, it’s possible that you keep your ovaries,
you get your uterus removed, but you- there’s still maybe some hormone stuff that happens,
right? Evan Brand: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s kinda like with
guys and they get a vasectomy, there are some research showing it, you can still have a
drop-in testosterone after vasectomy. What happened? You didn’t touch the testicles, right? But when you mess around with that anatomy
there’s probably some feedback loops that are disrupted, there’s probably some hormonal
secretion that’s happening from that tissue that were not quite, you know, fully aware
of. So, that’s why when in doubt, always try to
keep the tissue in place- Evan Brand: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: -if you can. Evan Brand: It’s crazy. I mean, for to think, oh, it has no purpose
when you’re aged 60 just ’cause you’re not menstruating, those organs have no purpose. That’s- that’s bizarre. Yeah, I mean, if you have no purpose anymore,
it would come out just like a placenta comes out after a woman delivers a baby. That organ is there, and then that organ is
not needed anymore, and the mom pushes the placenta out and then you’re done. You don’t push out the uterus. So, it- it needs to be there. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. It definitely needs to be there for sure. So, uhm, on that road, I think we answered
that question. Evan Brand: I’ve got another question for
you. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: Okay. So, we got one here, “Can you discuss molecular
mimicry?”. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, so, diff- i-
in general, we have surface proteins on foods, especially gluten and casein, and these surface
proteins, they get tagged by our immune system. And there are other surface proteins on tissue
in the body like the thyroid that can look similar. So, imagine you have someone who just did
a- a crime, and they’re driving a black Honda Civic. Well, Honda Civics are pretty popular car. Please come on the AP- you know, on the radio,
APB, you know, be careful and just person, and the authorities driving a black Honda
Civic. They’re driving the Honda Civic, you get pulled
over. Why? Because you have a similar identification
that was called on the APB there. So, what does that mean? Its surface proteins can be similar, and so
of course, when that APB is called up by your immune system, A.K.A, the immune system makes
antibodies to target these surface protein, and other tissues have a similar surface protein
like the thyroid, then that can, uh, your immune system can attack it. And that’s why you’re see- that’s why gluten
is such a big deal. Also, gluten also opens the gut lining. And when the gut lining’s more open and we
have gut permeability or leaky gut kind of the slang, there’s more chance of your immune
system to get in contact with undigested foods and create more antibodies for more stuff. So, leaky gut’s a big thing and, there’s a
lot of data saying, “Hey, even if you’re not reacting to the gluten, gluten may still be
opening up that gut lining, creating more gut permeability”. Evan Brand: Well, here’s one other thing to
take it even further on the anti-gluten train, which is the fact that people say, “Oh, I’m
not sensitive to gluten, I don’t have any rashes, I don’t have any headaches, I don’t
notice joint pain after gluten. It doesn’t matter, we’ve seen, and many, many,
many pieces of literature, just google “Non celiac gluten sensitivity” and you could read
about it for yourself. Even if a person that says, “I noticed…”
quote, “nothing”, from eating gluten. We still notice that the secretory IgA gets
lower, that gut barrier gets broken open, you get leaky gut. There’s no like, “I’m a tuff guy, I grew up
in Wisconsin, grew in corn and I eat corn and gluten and I love it”, no, it doesn’t
matter. You’re gonna have a leaky gut no matter if
you noticed anything or not and, why is that important for thyroid health, wll, ’cause
once a gut’s leaky, now, let’s say you get bacteria and parasites and toxins from the
food supply, you breath in some guy’s diesel truck in front of you on the highway, those
toxins have direct access to the bloodstream. And we know that when the gut is leaky, the
blood brain barrier is also gonna be leaky, and then you’re getting toxins into the brain. So, you go and need some tuna fish on your
night out and sushi, and that mercury can go into your brain now because your gut was
leaky and they had access. So, you know, I kinda have like a zero tolerance,
you know, policy. I like how, uh Rodney Ford, he was a gastro
doc I had on a podcast- Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: -like, 7 years ago or some crazy,
as if one of the first steps which I did. He said, I don’t like to term gluten-free,
he said I like to term gluten-zero, because gluten-free sounds- you- you know, just like
it’s toys or like, it’s- it’s a rec- it’s a recommendation. But he said, the idea of gluten-zero, is much
more direct and blunt. It’s like, “no”, you don’t want any. Because even we’ve seen we- you and I, we
test the antibodies, we look at anti gliadin IgA on the stool test, and what we see is
that, even up to 3 months, 4 months after somebody’s had gluten, you know, here we are
in early March, at the time of this recording, someone could had a bunch of cookies at Christmas
and we could still see 3 months later, the antibodies elevated because of that. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, so, I mean,
I’m pretty puritanical when it comes to gluten. I will- I met- I do have a cinnamon bun last
night but it was gluten free, and I typically never cheat, I ended up getting within 30
minutes after the sore throat, and it’s lingering right now. I’m doing some- Evan Brand: No way. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: -essential oil lozenges
to help- help [crosstalk]. Evan Brand: Rice flour, what was it that did
that to you? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It was rice flo- it
was rice flour, and it could have been just the carbs, it was pretty carb-heavy. But, you know, it just makes me think like,
there’s one more sin in the fridge, am I gonna have it tonight? Hell no, you know? Evan Brand: [Laughs] Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I’ll- for my cheat,
I’ll do my ___[23:49] chips and some fresh homemade guacamole instead for my little kraut
treat. But yeah, e- even that, I still had the decision,
you know, should I stop at dunkin doughnuts and get like the awesome cinnamon bun that
I have memories of 20 years ago, when I used to eat lots good food but, now, I at least
chose the healthier option, but still, I kind recalibrate and say it still not worth it. So, try to find the healthier option if you
want a spurge. If you’re autoimmune condition’s under control
and you don’t have an autoimmune condition, maybe you spurge every now and then on the
holidays. My recommendation though is, you find a healthier
option, and if you have thyroid antibodies, you definitely need to. I have thyroid antibodies, so you really gotta
make sure that you’re on the right track. There’s a lot of healthy options these days. It’s crazy, I mean, I had some- some I think
it was uh, Danielle Walkers got a new pizza that’s like, a yuca based pizza, and it’s
freakin’ awesome. It’s really good, and the crust is great. It’s a little carb heavy, so I save it for
my carb night, but uhm, it’s a great pizza. Evan Brand: Wow, she makes it? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, it’s in the
whole food section now, it’s frozen. But it’s a yuca based crust. Evan Brand: And is it already, uh, it’s just
a crust and you gotta put all your own toppings? Or- Dr. Justin Marchegiani: No, it’s got everything
on it already. But she’s got some I think where you can buy
without the toppings. But I just love yuca for crust ’cause yucas
just like- it’s a soft, it’s really uhm, moist too. Evan Brand: I’ll have to look for it. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: I- I wanna point out what you
said. I think it’s very important which is that,
you may go off your diet for a bit and play with this food and play with that food is
kind of a treat, but like you said, it’s not worth it. And, you know, people think when we come up
with a diet protocol for ’em, then it’s like a diet of depravation. But overall, I would say you and I are not
deprived at all. We’re eating good fats, good meats, good veggies,
I mean, this is not a deprivation or starvation diet required. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: No, I mean, last night
for dinner, I had a dry aged Kansas City strip steak, step 4 from wholefoods. And, I had it last night with some green beans
and grass-fed butter and some sea salt, and it was phenomenal. So, I should have eat really good like that,
like, keep it simple, you know. The night before that, we threw some stuff
in the instapot, 40 minutes later, some vegetable. I think we had some celeries, some uhm, carrot,
and some chicken, it was great. I mean, keep it really simple, easy. Evan Brand: I did some haddick last night- Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Mm-hmm. Evan Brand: I had couple different fish, I
had some haddick and some cod, and then we did some sweet potato fries that we baked,
and then we did some broccoli. My wife is all into fresh broccoli now, because
we were doing frozen broccoli, but it’s a game changer to do fresh. So, uh, hopefully when I get my garden, we’ve
got snow on the ground, hopefully I can get my garden going and get some fresh broccoli. Last year, even despite my really good fencing
operation around my- around my race guard bed, those darn rabbits, it ate on my broccoli,
so I didn’t get any, I had to buy it all to store [chuckles], or the farmer’s market. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh, hundred percent
man, that’s really cool. Uhm, very cool. Let’s talk about- someone asked about “Iodine
and iodide”. So, basically, iodide is the ion form of Iodine. So, you have basically uh, the chemical structure
of iodine is- is 2 molecules of iodine, and so essentially, iodine is one. So, typically, iodine’s bonded to a salt whether
it’s a sodium salts or a potassium salts, and then in your body, your body converts
it and- and puts it together and makes iodine out of it. So, you can have one molecule’s iodide, 2
is iodine, you take it and the it converts it in the body and it goes to through iodination
and it- it can makes it iodine. Evan Brand: How do you approach that with
clients in terms of supplementing? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I typically use a
potassium iodide. Evan Brand: Yup. How often do you supplement it, is that something
where it’s like, yup, a little amount is always gonna be okay ’cause there was a whole, you
know fear mongering about “Oh, you know, supplementing iodine could- or iodine can uh… increase
your thyroid antibodies”, but I’ve not found that to be true, let alone know. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, I mean, it’s
potential, but, if someone has active thyroid autoimmune stuff, we just don’t go more than
the RDA which is between 150 to 250 micrograms. Evan Brand: Mm-hmm. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And if we see they’re
stable, and/or they don’t have any that we may play around with going up to a gram or
maybe a 1.3 gra- uh- sorry, 1.3 mg, 1.5 mg, alright? RDA’s a 150 to 250 micrograms. So, typically, within 5 or 10 x of the RDA. Evan Brand: Okay. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It can. It- there’s a lot of data in the literature
on that. So, uhm, I can just tell you, I see people
go too high in iodine and lose their hair. Evan Brand: Oooh. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So, you gotta be careful. Evan Brand: Wow. I’ve got another question for you if you’re
ready. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Mm-hmm. Evan Brand: Uh, a little one here rom Doc
Jacey- Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: “What is your take on using LDN
for hashimoto patients? I do see the antibodies dropping and symptoms
improved. Curious, if you’ve seen the same”. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. So, first off, it’s not the first place I
go, the low-hanging fruit’s gonna be, uhm, obviously uh, autoimmune template to start
getting good nutrients onboard, getting enough selenium onboard, CoQ10, magnesium, these
are really important. Then after that, I would go to like curcumin,
uhm, curcumin, things like that fur, you know, fur. So, it’d be the first things I would get in
there first. You could even play around with resveratrol,
uhm, I would do that first, and then maybe even CBD. I would try to do CBD over LDN, but I had
seen some people do okay in LDN. I’ve seen some people do worse on LDN. So, I try to go to the more natural compounds
first before I go to uh, an ___[28:54] blocking drug. Evan Brand: Agreed. And I can’t prescribe it. So, even if I could, I wouldn’t because I’m,
you know, my toolbox is limited to using natural professional grade products and nutrients
and herbs, so I just don’t even have it on the table for me, so I just have to assume
that I gotta fix the issue with other things. And you and I’ve seen hundreds of times that,
when we just fix the gut, we’ve seen antibodies drop from it. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: 2000, 3000 to sub-500- Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: Just [crosstalk]… the gut and
changing nothing else. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, I mean, the
gut’s obviously the next big component. But supplement wise, curcumin, resveratrol,
selenium, CoQ10, magnesium, a- autoimmune template, and then of course working on the
digestion, working through all the 6 hours. Enzymes [crosstalk]… bad foods, replacing
digestive support, hormones, moving infections, re-inoculating, repopulating probiotics and
then retest it. Evan Brand: We’ve got a couple other questions
here. What’s your- what’s your schedule look like? How much time you got left? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I got enough time,
I got 10 minutes here. Evan Brand: Perfect. I’ll just uh, give people another plug. If you haven’t register to Justin’s summit,
please do., it’s great. If you’re like geekin’ out on this, you’re
about to geek out times 30 for the next week. Every day, you’re gonna get to hear Justin
in your ear for like 6 hours. So, better put some headphones on, get your
nice cup of camel milk tea and sit down and have a good listen. And uh, Justin did videos too, so that’s cool. If you wanna see the interviews, as opposed
to just listening, you can do both, and if you end up buying his summit, you do get transcripts. So, I know, we’re getting a little, yo know,
a little tricky, a little complicated sometimes in these interviews, you may want to have
the transcript available so you can refer back to that. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wonderful. Hundred percent. [crosstalk] Evan Brand: Yeah, so that’s my plug. And uh, the next question from Colin is, “Any
recommendations for…”, he said, “dedicated” but he meant desiccated, and we know what
you meant. So, “Any recommendations for desiccated thyroid? Have you heard of the company thyrovanz?”. And I have not. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I have not. I have not in my life. We have a product called thyrobalance that
is a natural glands. We’re support- I use with my patients, that
I’d formulated, I’ve- I love that, it’s for credit, I use it on thousands of patients. And uh, on the prescription side, I do like
WP thyroid, it’s a very clean formula. Uh, NP thyroid is another newer one out that’s
very similar to iron, it- it does have a little bit of maltodextrin from corn in there, so
you gotta be a little careful. The other good ones gonna be Nature Throid. Supposedly Nature Throid has a couple more
ingredients than WP. Some people, if you check out my summit interview
with Guillermo Ruiz, we talked all about that but, he said, there just not have extra ingredients
and the same formula but, if you look on the back, there is lactose Nature Throid, there’s
no lactose in WP. So, WP is the cleanest but, he seems to think
they are both uh, equivalent. So, Nature Throid, and/or WP will be kinda
number 1 and 2, WP first, Nature Throid second if you’re gonna go the prescription road. Evan Brand: Supposedly Acella, A-C-E-L-L-A,
it’s supposed to be- [crosstalk]. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That too makes NP-
That- that too makes NP. Evan Brand: Oh, okay. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I’m pretty sure, that
too makes NP thyroid. Evan Brand: Okay. Excellent. Alright. Uh, here’s another one- Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And then just to be-
to be hundred percent clear on the question though, is with a natural thyroid glandular,
you’re getting T-4, which is typically all you get in a centroid levoxyl levothyroxine
support, but you’re also getting T-3, T-2, T-1, T-0, calcitonin and proto morphogenic
proteins which are in there that was your natural growth factors and- and taking thyroid
glandular can also help lower your antibody levels too which is great. So, if you need a great, we don’t wanna give
it unless we need it. Evan Brand: Yeah, I was gonna say how do you
rate when you need it versus let’s say someone was on a prescription, you know, is it possible
that they are not doing well their prescription like centroid, but they may do and feel better
and be able to use a glandular instead of that with the help of their doctor getting
them off of the drug. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, you know you’re
gonna need it if 1 of 2 factors or both are- are there. TSH is elevated, that could be the conventional
range which is 5 and a half on the east coast, 4 and a half on the west coast, or, I use
the- uh- uhm- the Association of Clinical Endocrinologists standings, once there’s a-
above 2 and a half, I’m careful, okay? We’re about 2 and a half, 3’s kind of my cut
off, but, then I look at the free T-3 levels. I’d look at T-4, T-3, how’s that conversion
happening, and is there adequate levels of T-3, at least 3.0 on a free T-3. If we see a little bit than that, we could
look at symptoms and we’ll see if it’s necessary to do anything for on the fence or a close,
and then adrenals are shut, we may leave it alone and go after the adrenals come back
on that. ‘Caue sometimes that’s enough to fix it. If the adrenals look okay, or the thyroid’s
very low, we’ll come in there with support, get the TSH under control so the brain’s not
screaming at the thyroid and getting it swollen, and then we’ll also get that functional T-3
level up to an optimum range. You know, 50% of the reference range. So, typically above 3 or so. Other country is different, but you wanna
be at least 50% in the reference range. Evan Brand: With that, you’re saying, take
care of everything else like adrenals and all that? You’re saying circle back to the thyroid gland-
glandular is kind of a last stage effort you would approach adrenals, maybe thyroid nutrients
first, before thyroid glandular? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: If we’re close- if
we’re close. The only exceptional will be if the TSH is
high, you know. Even if they didn’t have any symptoms but
the TSH was high, let’s say above 3 to 4, then I would definitely look at putting that
on a little bit sooner. If it was 3, I may hold off and just see maybe
if we get the HPA access back on track, we’re good, if we’re on the 4 or up, I’m definitely
gonna at least bring it down to 1 in the meantime. Evan Brand: Okay, so, if we got a TSH of 5,
we’ve got a free T-3 of 2, you’re saying, yeah, probably gonna need the glandular? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Definitely. Definitely need the glandular. Now, if we have a TSH of 3, and a T-3 of let’s
say 3.2, that’s where it becomes very questionable. I’d wanna look at symptoms, and I wanna look
at the thyroid, uh, the adrenals as well as the thyroid. And I probably- I’d probably say, let’s table
doing anything directly with hormones on the thyroid for at least a month, and just focus
on more nutrients and the adrenals and I come back and retest probably in 4 to 8 weeks and
see where we’re at. Evan Brand: Well said. We’ve seen massive swings in hormones in the
right direction- Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Mm-hmm. Evan Brand: -just by focusing on adrenals,
it blows my mind- Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup. Evan Brand: -because I wasn’t someone that
was comfortable with thyroid glandulars personally and recommending those to clients, I’d kind
of stayed away from it, because I saw with doing rhodiola, and as you mentioned some
of those special Maca extracts, and Ashwagandhas and Schisandra berries and helping the liver
in detoxing, uh, and all of the sudden we looked and it’s like, whoa, TSH is normal. We didn’t even- we didn’t even try to focus
on thyroid and it fixed itself, just with fixing the body, I love when that happens. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: A hundred percent. I love it. And we’re getting to the root cause, we’re
not just gonna throw everything on- throw everyone on the same thing. We really try to individualize the approach,
just [crosstalk]. Evan Brand: Uh, I’ve got a question here from
Paul, “How is Calcium D-Glucarate daily for detoxification?”. We use Calcium D-Glucarate all the time. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, it’s in my the
detox aminos product. It binds to estrogens, so it really helps
aid in estrogen detoxification. So, if a woman has extra detox, or if we see
estrogen levels with the guys as well, I mean, it’s good to help bind it and pull it out,
so I think it’s great. Just wanna make sure that we’re also getting
to the root cause. If it’s just part of the general detoxification
program, I think it’s great. It’s gonna help with thyroid binding globulin,
and help with increasing free T-3 if there’s excess estrogen. Evan Brand: Yeah, I- I- I don’t use it in
isolation, same thing as you. I do have within a liver support product- Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup. Evan Brand: -our uh hormone support product,
there’s kind of a couple things out there that we use will be blends of herbs plus Calcium
D-Glucarate added in for PMS and, you know, breast tenderness and moodiness and irritability
and all that stuff, we do see a Calcium D-Glucarate does move the needle. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hundred percent. Hundred percent. Next question. Evan Brand: Uh, Laura gave us some feedback,
“Thank you so very much for explaining crucial information about gluten. I have tried for years to get people to realize
that gluten hurts us all”. I agree Laura, thank you for the feedback
and some people have to hit rock bottom before they listen to you. So, unfortunately that’s a reality. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, and again, some
people, you know, they have the mindset of like, e- everything in moderation, it- it
just depends. I don’t necessarily buy that, I mean, there’s
probably never gonna be in the- in the- in a monitored amount of cocaine or methamphetamines
that’ll ever do. But I get the fact that some people, you know,
may not have that genetic predisposition. They may not have an autoimmune genetics that
are active. But I just- I still think uhm- you gotta be
careful if there’s an option to do something on the safer side on the gluten free, grain
free side, it’s better. It’s- it’s better to do that. But I get why some people may feel like they-
they get a little bit more freedom. You know, when you have a little bit more
uhm, uh, health, so to speak, and a little bit less genetic predisposition, it makes
sense why you do that. Evan Brand: Yup. Got a question here, “My friend has hashimoto’s
and only 20% of her thyroid. She tried nascent iodine and her face broke
out with little lumps like pimples. Any idea why and what she can do to supplement
iodine?”. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, if she has hashimoto’s,
uhm I know that’s Dr. Group’s product, it’s a good iodine product, you just gotta be careful
because you can go really high in it number 1, and that can elevate antibodies. Number 2, you could be pushing out other halides
like bromine, right? And that could be causing the detoxification
issue with the skin, is you’re pushing that out to the skin. [Crosstalk]. Evan Brand: Let me ask you this- Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: This is- this is mind-blowing. So, that you’re saying that nascent iodine
can kind of clear out that receptor site? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Potentially, but it
could also activate autoimmunity if that’s there too. It could- Evan Brand: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: -too high. So, I mean, if I were to do it, I would make
sure that- if she’s my patient, we’re working for a few months, we’re stabilizing inflammation
in the diet, all the other nutrients are present, ’cause with high amounts of iodine, the iodination
process spits out hydrogen peroxide, H2O2, and with, inadequate selenium levels. Hydrogen peroxide’s inflammatory in the thyroid. So, with adequate selenium, we convert that
H2O2, we pull off an oxygen to it and we make it H2O and make it water, something benign. So, we gotta be careful with the iodine and
the lack of selenium, especially if antibodies are elevated. Evan Brand: Yeah, well said. Selenium’s huge. That’s like, critical if you don’t address
that, it’s very easy to fix that too. It’s like one of the cheapest supplements
ever. Its funny people question the whole Brazil
Nut thing, people say, “Oh, only a few Brazil Nuts per day is enough for selenium”. I’d look at some studies comparing that, like
supplementation of actual selenium like chelated selenium versus a Brazil Nut, it actually
surprisingly, the Brazil Nut actually held up, it actually did worked. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, I mean, the
big difference for the Brazil Nut is there’s like a uh, a 10 to 1 ratio of how much selenium
could be there. So, it’s just you don’t know if you’re at-
if you’re doing 2 or 3 Brazil Nuts, hoping for 20 or 40 microgram, or 200 microgram the
selenium, you may get 20, you may get 30, right. That’s the problem with it. So, I think it’s okay if you wanna do 1 or
2, but I think at least get your insurance policy of 200 micrograms of selenium via supplement
formula, that’s your insurance policy. Evan Brand: Yeah, I l- I love the idea of
food as medicine but I agree with you. That’s not something you wanna dabble with,
like, why try to get it from Brazil Nut if you can spend $8 and get the best selenium
product on the market in capsule form, and you know exactly what therapeutic dose you’re
getting in terms of milligrams right there on the bowl versus, “Oh yeah! This is a big Brazil Nut! This must be 20 milligrams”, it’s like “No!”. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: E- exactly. And Brazil Nuts are commonly moldy too. So, if you have mold issues, there could be
a problem there. Evan Brand: [Crosstalk] Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You know, if you wanna
1 or 2, fine, but just get your 200 from- from supplement. Evan Brand: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: From selenium ___[40:20]
primarily. Evan Brand: Well, pesticides too, I’ve never
seen organic Brazil Nuts on the market, I don’t want some sprayed. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I know, and then you
also have the phytates and the other types of oxalate compounds in there too, for sure. Evan Brand: I thought we had a question about
oxalates. [Crosstalk] Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Someone asked about
“How do oxalates affect your thyroid?”, I think, right? Evan Brand: Yeah, here it is. “What are you guys know about high oxalates
and Hashimoto’s? Is there a connection?”. Let me just say something first. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: What I’ve seen, is that high oxalates
are directly can’t- uh, related to uh, high candida. We’ve seen a lot of yeast, like, when I see
candida high, I always see oxalates high. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Mm-hmm. Evan Brand: And then when you fix the candida,
the oxalates magically go down. So, I would just throw- I would- I would kinda
change that question and I would just say “What do you guys know about high oxalates,
candida and Hashimoto’s?”, and I would say the answer is they’re all related. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, also, I would
say that uhm, a lot of high oxalates foods are high goitrogens too. And these goitrogens can block iodine uptake. So, if you’re doing a lot of raw cruciferous
vegetables, broccoli, cabbage, right? Uhm, those type of things that can easily
block iodine uptake. If you’re doing a lot of it raw, that’s gonna
really have some major impact. So, if you’re cooking it, you’re steaming
it, you’re putting it in soups, you’re gonna have less in it for sure. But, you know, too much of that, if we have
low thyroid, we gotta be careful with too much of that on the raw side ’cause that can
definitely block our iodine uptake. Evan Brand: I’m guessing you’ve seen raw vegans
that have thyroid problems. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, yeah, I mean,
that’s a huge thing. Also, raw vegans tend to not have enough protein
to make other hormones, so they can have other problems going on too. Evan Brand: Did you see that article that
was a uh- uh- an article the other day that went kinda viral. This medical wrote, that the- the vegan diet
killed my mother early? Did you read that? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: No. I think I heard of this though. Evan Brand: Let me see if I can pull up- Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Go ahead. Evan Brand: -so I can say it, yeah. So, here it was, it was in the U.K., it was
in London, this guy, Dr. Aseem, we may wanna get him on the podcast. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: He wrote a letter basically about
this. And, yeah, he’s a cardiologist, his name’s
Dr. Aseem, M-A-L-H-O-T-R-A. He said, my mother’s diet was full of ultra-
aah, see here’s the thing I didn’t read before. Her diet was full of ultra-processed foods. So, talks about how uh, she was a vegan, her
vegetarian rather, but, that she was consuming tons of, uh, biscuits, crisp and starchy carbohydrates. So, she probably had an unhealthy vegetarian
diet. But the way- Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: -he wrote it, made it just seem
like the vegetarian diet overall, killed her but, no, she’s eating that crap, that makes
sense. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, she’s on a lot
of carbohydrates but, yeah, one thing that you’ll see, you know, this is good for anyone
listening is, with vegans’ vegetarians, go look at their hands. ‘Cause what they’re doing is they’re getting
a lot of plant-based, uhm- beta carotene, and they’re hoping that converts to Vitamin-A.
With low thyroid, you’ll see a lot of the orange deposits or their hands, or their feet,
’cause they can’t convert that beta-carotene, the Vitamin-A, the active uhm, retinyl palmitate. Uh, and- and- Vitamin-A is important for the
thyroid receptor sites. So, you’ll see with some of these vegan vegetarians,
they’re not getting active Vitamin-A form animal products or Cod-Liver Oil, so you’ll
see beta carotene deposits in their skin, orangy skin. Evan Brand: Whoa! Well, I- you know, I always trip people out
about looking at the ridges on your fingernails- Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh yeah. Evan Brand: -for [crosstalk], but now I have
something else to look at, “hey, let me see your hands, I’m gonna look at your nails,
now, I’m gonna look at your palms”. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, I mean, it’s
always good to look at it, just shouldn’t be excessively orange, but that’s a big thing. And Vitamin-A is really important for your
thyroid, uhm, excellent sources of course are gonna be healthy, you know, egg yolks
I think you’re gonna get it in, you’ll also see it in any type of high quality grass-fed
meat, we’re gonna see it on Cod Liver Oil, and you’ll also gonna see it like liver glandular,
for sure. Evan Brand: There’s a question here which
says a treatment-oriented questions so you’ll have to become a client of Justin if you wanna
like dive in to supplements and protocols, but I’ll still read the question anyway incase
Justin you wanna say something else. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: “With slightly low free T3, should…”
uh, “…thyroid balance 1 capsule be taken every day?”, and “Dr. J., do you take your
thyroid replete or balance?”. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I do not need my thyroid
replete or balance. My T3 levels are above three and my TSH stays
in the low-2’s or in the mid-1’s. So, I- I just don’t need it but, my Malte
has enough selenium in there, and other nutrients uhm, for my thyroid to work. I- I just don’t need it based in my labs,
so, I only recommend things that patients need that we can objectively quantify. Evan Brand: Yup. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: But in general, uhm,
the levels are what again? Low [crosstalk]… Evan Brand: …low free T3 , it was a 2.7. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, so, depending
on the other symptoms that are going on there would depend on how the adrenals are doing. But that’s border line. What was the TSH? Evan Brand: TSH, 1.3. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh, I probably would
say no on that. I’d wanna look at the adrenals more thoroughly. I’d probably say no. Uh, I- I’m- I’m- for- if- if other- if TSH
and T3 are- uh- TSH is good and T3 is close, I tend to say, “Let’s hold off and work more
on nutrition and the adrenals”. Evan Brand: See, here’s the problem though,
we’re trying to get advice like that on YouTube or wherever else on internet, we know nothing
about this guy, we don’t know how he sleeps, we don’t know he’s stressed, we don’t even
know what his symptoms- Dr. Justin Marchegiani: -Diet. Evan Brand: -are, he may feel perfectly fine
[crosstalk]. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, exactly. Evan Brand: You may feel amazing, and then
you’re trying to fix something that doesn’t really need to be fixed. If you feel amazing, you- you might not need
do anything. So kinda, you know, don’t fix it if it’s not
broken. Obviously, if we knew, “Hey I had terrible
anxiety and heart palpitations and I couldn’t sleep, and I had skin rashes, and we have
a more complete picture”, then Justin maybe able to say, “Well, you know, maybe your free
T3 is a little low because of ‘XYZ’ and we can fix that, and here’s the data to prove
what you got in the gut”. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, exactly. So, there could be other things that are causing
it that- on the gut that only improve it. So, hold off, but, you wanna dive in and become
a patient we can also talk a little bit deeper on that. Evan Brand: Yup. Uhm, Missy, “Thanks for your summits, I’ve
learned so much and appreciate both your time and knowledge”. Missy, it’s our pleasure. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Appreciate it. Then someone write in about potato juice curing
diabetes type 2, it’s a little off-question but because uhm, diabetes is intimately connected
to thyroid issues. Diabetes commonly, uh, causes low levels of
thyroid conversion because high levels of insulin can disrupt thyroid conversion. That’s why blood sugar is so important in
keeping inflammation down. But uh, I’d be careful, anytime juice, I get
concerned with, excess sugar and insulin resistance being a problem. Uh, that being said, there’s a high amount
of… potassium in potatoes, so could just be some of these extra minerals that are there. But I would say, uhm, probably stay away from
the excess sugar if there’s high levels of insulin in your type 3 diabetic. Evan Brand: Uh, there’s other question here,
“Are you saying candida overgrowth in the gut can be linked to kale intolerance?”. Uhm, maybe and around about way, yes, but
no, not directly. What I was saying is that, when we see on
the organic acids test that we have an elevation in oxalates, generally speaking, candida is
a contributing factor to why oxalates are driven up. I had high oxalates one time on my organic
acid test, I did not eat hardly any leafy green vegetables for significant period of
time when my gut was a mess, and I still had high oxalates, I didn’t have many other foods
with oxalates in ’em, so, I saw when I fixed the yeast in my gut, and then eventually found
out I had candida in my home, and had to fix the candida in my home because especially
if you have dogs, dogs have candida on ’em and then they jump in your bed and they spread
the candida to your bed, and then you breathe it in, and it recolonizes your gut. So, if you’re working with a practitioner,
and you keep beating yourself up because you feel good and then you feel bad, you feel
good, you feel bad, you could have candida, driving that oxalate problem. And if that gets to extreme levels, you can
end up with kidney stones and all sorts of problem. So, you know, fix your gut, but fix your home
too, that’s gonna be like my new motto. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, I mean, the
more people, let’s just say have inflammation, dysregulations in guts- and gut issues, that
can create more oxalate sensitivity. Uhm, again, things like potassium and magnesium
are really important for oxalate cleaner. It’s now- kale is actually kind of a lower
oxalate food. It’s the spinach. Spinach is the big higher ones, so you gotta
be careful with spinach. But again, you know, having enough good quality
magnesium and potassium in your diet or supplementally can also help clear oxalates. [Crosstalk]. Oxalates high in organic acid test, that’s
more of indirect candida marker. So you’d wanna look at like D-Arabinitol,
or ___[48:31] if using the GPL test. Uhm, and, you know, uh, tartaric acid, other
things like that. Evan Brand: Yup. Well, that’s all the questions, I think we
killed it in, we donated an extra 10 minutes of time here, so why don’t we wrap this thing
up, I’ll tell people again about your summit website. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Excellent. Evan Brand: It’s, it
works. Expecting probably 50, 60, maybe 70, 80, who
knows? Thousand registrants. So, if you’re not coming to the party, then
you’re missing out. So, this is gonna be probably one of the biggest
events of the year honestly because thyroid problems are epidemic in the U.S. I’m sure
I can pull up some random statistic for you from the CDC if you wanted to, but I’ll just
tell you what, Justin and I see which is that, there are countless men and women out there
with hashimoto’s, and they don’t even know it, it’s undiagnosed, autoimmune thyroid conditions
around the world, these men and women are having anywhere from one to a million symptoms,
it could be heart palpitations and anxiety- Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: -one day, and they’re energetic,
and then the next day they’re exhausted and they don’t know why. And then the next morning, they wake up in
the middle of the night and they have heart racing in the middle of the night, they don’t
know why. When that thyroid gets attacked by the immune
system, it can squirt out little pieces of thyroid hormone and cause you to feel crazy. So, please make sure that you get your antibodies
tested. Your TPO, your TG, maybe your TSI if you think
you need to, because something you educated me on is that you can have hashimoto’s, and
you can have graves at the same time, which sounds insane. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup, you can and,
1 out of 5 women have, uh, a- autoimmune issue, and, one of the most common thyroid issues,
over 30 million people have it and don’t even know is, hashimoto’s. And the big issue with that is, it’s gonna
create inflammation, it’s eventually gonna destroy your thyroid tissue, low thyroid hormones
and it create all kinds of symptoms, and women tend to be more predisposed. I mean, on the guy, I’ve hashimoto’s too,
so this isn’t you know, just me only reaching the females out there, men have it too, so
you gotta look at it. Women are a little more predisposed, ’cause
estrogen can- can affect the CD4 to CD8, uhm immune cell ratio and can make you more predisposed
to autoimmune issues, but heck, we know guys are getting exposed to lots of estrogens too
via the food, and the plastics and the pesticides. So, that’s another predisposing factor that
can even make guys more susceptible even like myself, so, make sure you register. Thanks, so much Evan for the great podcast
today, make sure you sign up and get that free 88-page eBook, my real book, the thyroid
reset is coming out in the coming months is head. So, stay tuned, thanks so much, and have a
phenomenal day. Take care. Evan Brand: Take care. Bye-bye. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Bye.

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